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@itswaker
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24d
added comment in2 Week Drawing Challenge
I can see I got the proportions wrong. Head and torso too small. AAAA
Jacob Hebda
24d
No worries, Itswalker. Please don't feel you need to match the reference exactly. When we practice drawing from reference, we are interpreting the image, so there will always be slight differences between your version and the reference. I tend to make the heads too big myself, and it's something to be aware of, but I think the head in the reference is a bit larger than normal proportions anyway to fit anime/manga style, so you might have been unconsciously adjusting that element to be more realistic (or heroic, because smaller heads are usually associated with heroic proportions too) without even realizing it! I think it's important here to concentrate on the strengths here too. I'm impressed by your attention to negative space. Two areas that really stand out to me are the curve formed by the belly and the raised leg and the knife arm, back, and weight-bearing leg. This practice is challenging, tough work, but I can see by this great focus that you are well on your way as an artist. Keep on practicing and growing, and who knows what amazing things you'll do in the future!
@mx2
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1mo
Asked for help
A little embarrassed at how messy my sketches are but I chose an owl as my creature. I started looking at owls in general but then became interested in the barred owl because it reminded me of an old woman wearing a shawl. I was thinking about drawing an elderly and kind owl wearing a shawl, and at one point, I wanted to try sketching the owl standing on one leg and drinking from a tea cup with the other (reference images of the skeleton for me to consider how it might bend). However, before I could do so, mid-way through my second sketch, I started thinking about how the head of the barred owl reminded me of a helmet... and thus the astronaut owl was born, haha. I still like my original idea though and think it would make an interesting character as well.
Hi there, MX2!
I wanted to reach out and celebrate your imagination and invention! I love the way that you experimented with envisioning the owl as both a kind, older woman in a shawl, and, later, based on the forms of the head, an astronaut! An astronaut owl is an amazing, wonderful idea! Let your mind wander and follow these paths to help you create. My brain rarely works in a straight line, and it bounces from one connection to another just like yours. This is a normal part of creativity, and it sounds like you've got the process down well! Quantity leads to quality - the more ideas you pump out, the more likely you'll hit on a winner, like the astronaut owl or the woman in the shawl. Then, you can pick which idea you like best to develop as a drawing. Keep it up!
Also, don't worry about being messy, as long it doesn't mix you up and confuse you from identifying the shapes and forms of the characters. Think of it like going to eat at your favorite restaurant. Let's say you're getting some pizza, and it comes out looking scrumptious! However, you don't see all the shredded cheese on the floor of the kitchen, the tomato sauce all over the cook's apron, and the dough dust coating everything in sight! You are cooking up a drawing, so messes are bound to happen along the way as you explore new ideas, shapes, and lines. You can always clean it up later by putting another paper over the first and cleaning up the lines. Having a light box really helps with this technique if you're working traditionally. That way, you can make your drawing polished and clean and ready to serve the viewer!
I can also see you have taken a first, giant leap as an artist! I think you have the right idea to learn more about the bird's anatomy to help you grow, and there are plenty of great books that can help. One I like is David Sibley's Sibley Field Guide to Birds of Eastern North America. This volume is entirely illustrated by the author, so it give you plenty of accurate reference material, including some generalized examples of bird anatomy in the first few pages.
However, before diving into the anatomy, my recommendation is to work on training your brain to understand 3D forms and perspective. It's a serious challenge I have been wrestling with myself for years now, but this foundation in perspective basics is an important milestone before attempting anatomy. I know spheres and cones and cylinders and boxes can be boring, but they are the foundation for even greater things to come! One way to study is to practice from actual boxes around your home, or you can use a 3D program and spin the forms around to different angles. Pay attention to how the angles of the box change from different viewpoints as you draw, and draw hundreds of them or more. This practice is something that can never be done enough, even as you become more experienced as an artist.
Unfortunately, I have found these exercises are not enough, especially if you are interested laying out complex, believable scenes involving organic characters like people and animals in perspective, but they are a great start. Feed that imagination with forms, and who knows how far into the stars you'll reach!
Anawin L.
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4mo
Asked for help
This assignment was both fun and challenging. I tried to draw a secretary bird in an anthropomorphic style but struggled with the wings. Any critique would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!
Excellent work, Anawin! This subject is challenging, but I can see you made a strong study of the secretary bird. By the way, thanks for teaching me about this cool animal. I didn't know there was a secretary bird!
I have a few thoughts that might help. Wings are absolutely tough, and I can't say that I'm an expert on wings, so I don't think I'll be able to help much there. However, I love the sweep of the wing from the imagination in the image to the right. It is believable and dynamic, and the darker line weight (it might be a bit too dark compared to the other lines - I understand this is just a rough sketch, so you could always go over it later and polish it up!) does a great job of making the wing feel like its jutting forward to the viewer. It's definitely drawing my attention in a good way!
One point to think about are the legs. I see you did a wonderful job of staying true to the reference, but I wonder how the bird would look if the legs were less stiff and maybe more gently curving? The stiff legs seem at odds with the fluid poses, so I thought maybe adding some dynamic curves to them would help better convey movement?
I hope these thoughts help! Great job! I might have to try drawing a secretary bird now!
Jacob Hebda
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4mo
Asked for help
As a quick introduction, I have been trying to learn art for around 5-6 years now, and I have taken other online courses on perspective and completed many of the early exercises in Scott Robertson and Thomas Bertling's excellent How To Draw textbook, but I am still not satisfied with my skill level. I hope Marshall Vandruff's expertise and exercises, as well as the community's feedback, will help me finally meet my goals.
I really appreciate the posts that others have made. It has exposed me to plenty of other artists to study! I also find Alan Lee, Ralph McQuarrie, Peter Han, and James Gurney inspiring in their use of perspective to depict realistic scenes from their imaginations. I am also a fan of many anime and manga art styles, particularly those with more realistic proportions, such as Naruto. Since so many have already shared wonderful examples of these pieces, I will focus on works less represented here.
1. Collect some of your favorite drawings by perspective masters to set a standard for skill development.
19th Century Military Genre Painting: Edouard Detaille, Francisco Goya, Elizabeth Thompson/Lady Butler, Lev Lagorio, Alexey Popov, Mort Künstler (Not 19th century, but amazing, historically accurate realism of 19th century subjects), Nikolai Dmitriev-Orenburgsky, Pavel Kovalevsky, Carl Röchling
Palaeoart: Pollyanna von Knorring, Mark Witton, M. Rothman, Julius Csotonyi, and Marcio L. Castro.
Here's a disclaimer regarding my chosen images, just to be safe: Most of the images I picked are in the public domain, but for those that aren’t, I want to be clear that I am not the copyright holder, and that my posting them on this website is solely for my and other students’ transformative experience through meaningful development and analysis, pursuant to 17 US Code § 107 Fair Use Specific Nonprofit Educational Purposes.
2. Big picture goal - think about problems you'd like to solve that require skills in perspective. Maybe drawing something from a different angle that you don't have reference for, or creating mathematically sound architecture from imagination.
Perspective Goals: I would like to craft realistic scenes similar to those of 19th century military genre painters but challenging their frequent celebration of violence, and I would also like to create figures, landscapes, and architecture from imagination. Since I am interested in 19th century technology and culture, I would like to practice constructing vehicles and objects like trains, rifles, cannons, steamships, and more using perspective techniques, with the ultimate goal of inventing my own iterations of these things from imagination, but as deeply rooted in realism as possible (such as fidelity to the actions of rifles). I also love living things, especially trees. I appreciate palaeoart that uses evidence-based reconstructions of living things now extinct. I would like to draw and paint scientifically plausible landscapes and close-ups incorporating extinct or invented animals and plants, which would demand perspective knowledge.
Challenges or problems: One of the major areas I struggle with in perspective is accurately depicting complex hinged or bending forms in space, such as a bent torso or a tilted head. I also find myself misjudging the center lines of angled forms in perspective, as well as not producing enough impression of space or depth. I would very much like to be able to, from imagination, construct believable human figures and even other creatures like birds, horses, and insects from as many angles as possible, challenging myself to push toward photorealism/hyperrealism and to minimize stylization. I also struggle with objects or figures that straddle the horizon line, especially at a three-quarter angle, like the rib cage, torso, or face. These skills will demand an ability to envision and craft organic forms in perspective and go beyond the box, an area of expertise I need to hone. Flat forms or twisting forms in perspective, like leaves, banners, or clothing, are another challenge. One perspective problem similar to the “clumping” of figures mentioned in the video that I would like to master is assembling figures into lines, such as military formations, but, rather than making each figure uniform in height, vary the heights of the figures to simulate the diversity of actual people’s bodies. I understand there is a technique for taking a standard height figure and replicating that height at different distances, but I would like to practice and memorize this skill until I can achieve it intuitively and from imagination. I have not yet attempted many worm’s eye or bird’s eye shots, but I would like to be able to create compelling scenes from these angles if needed too. Another area I need to explore is the use of Dutch tilts to convey dynamism in a scene. I also like maps and world-building, and understanding 4-point or 5-point perspective can help me accurately warp landmasses and oceans around spherical bodies like a fictional planet. I’m not sure perspective techniques are exactly the same as those used in map projections, but I imagine they will be helpful when tackling the problem of converting a curved surface to a flat plane. I think it would be advantageous for me to learn how to produce technical or schematic cut-aways of buildings, vehicles, and machines in perspective too. Ultimately, my goal is to internalize intuitive perspective skills through relentless practice to reduce my reliance on perspective grids and reference and to be better able to plot out the right perspective for a scene that believably captures all of the desired angles of the characters and objects depicted.
As a final word, I wanted to share a compliment regarding this initial lesson video and assignment. I am greatly impressed that Marshall Vandruff takes an empowering, student-centered educational approach to enable students to focus on what tools and techniques will help them achieve their artistic goals.
I apologize for the long post. Thank you for reading!
Excellent work, Johnathan! I like the complex and believable forms you constructed for the clavicles. I really struggle with them, especially with getting them to look raised, which your drawing makes clear instantly. I was just reviewing my post, and I think I made the arm furthest from the viewer too long. I should have better planned it out with an arc from the bottom of the rib cage like Marshall does. I wonder if this drawing makes the opposite of my mistake and made the arm on the left just a little too small? Awesome work regardless, though. I love your effort to blend in some realism along the simplification of the forms. It's something I'd like to try! Thank you very much for sharing your work.