Measure Depth! Keep Track of Imaginary Space
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Measure Depth! Keep Track of Imaginary Space
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Carlos Pérez
Process so far , i did X for half division , and Out of perspective Uneven segments
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This lesson stretches your brain into space and gets it exact. You will learn how to measure away or toward the viewer. We will start with the simplest trick to divide things in half in perspective.

X Finds the Center

Drawing an X from corner to corner of a rectangular plane finds the exact center. This cuts the plane perfectly in half.

The angle of your tapering lines changes the position of that central point. A highly foreshortened rectangle with a close camera pushes that halfway division far back. You get some leeway for how much you taper the edges and how far back you place the center.

You can use this to find halfway points on the floor, the walls, and the ceiling. You can do it again to divide the space into fourths. You can keep dividing from fourths into eighths.

Notice that when there is already a halfway line on one axis, you do not need a full X. Just one diagonal will find the center of that rectangle to create the halfway line on the other axis.

A grid of halves stays in place when you put it in space. This works in any kind of perspective. It works close up or far away. It works in 1, 2, or 3-point perspective on any rectangular plane. It is simple, fast, and precise.

The Limit of X Finds the Center This method only gives even divisions. It cuts things in twos, halves, and their halves.

Diagonal Transfers

If you want odd divisions like thirds, fifths, or sevenths, you need a different approach. We call this the checkerboard method. It uses a diagonal line to transfer divisions. The advantage over finding the center with an X is that this works for both even and odd divisions.

Here is how to divide equal segments on a foreshortened plane:

  • Find a line that is not foreshortened, like the front edge of your plane.
  • Divide this unforeshortened line into your desired equal parts.
  • Run those dividing points back to the vanishing point to create converging lines.
  • Run a diagonal line from corner to corner of the plane.

Every point where the diagonal touches the converging lines transfers those divisions into perspective. It perfectly calculates how much smaller to make each partition as it goes back in space.

Dividing the Front Line

Dividing a straight line is easy for halves. Dividing an odd number is not always that simple.

Measuring the distance in millimeters and dividing it by your chosen odd number is slow. The fast way is to find a stretch on your ruler that nicely divides with your chosen number. Angle the ruler until that divisible length fits between your boundaries. Mark your divisions and use those points.

Transferring Uneven Divisions

The segments do not have to be all the same length. You can have a short one, a long one, and a medium one. They will all transfer front to back from one line in draft view to one in perspective.

When the sections recede in a particular order, place them on the non-foreshortened line in the order you want them to go away. Start your diagonal in that particular corner to send them front to back.

The Guiding Principle Get anything out of perspective, divide it, and transfer the divisions with a diagonal line. This takes care of the whole room.

These methods work on a floor, a ceiling, or a wall. They just require a back boundary to work.

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ASSIGNMENTS
Pamela D
2d
Hi, here is my submission starting with my original dream studio. The grid that I built is based on 3ft per square. I used it for the floor plan to map the building shape, the height (Y line on corner furthest away) and the VP's for the elevation. The diagonal walls are elevated from the floor plot using the square diagonals. I actually used another penciled grid with vanishing points further away, and included the first grid in red as it shows the divisions of the squares dropping down to make the perspective grid.
Sita Rabeling
Looks great! Nice touch with the Penrose triangle :)
Charlie Nicholson
We're pushing the deadline for this assignment from August 30th to September 13th, the Sunday after Labor Day! That's an extra two weeks.
Stevie Roder
Thanks ever so much on this Lin. I so wanna get moving forward with my dream studio sketches I did back in ye early phase of our concepts big time. This makes me happy to see we've been given extended time for it.
Lin
5d
thank you so much 😭
Maria Bygrove
Am I right in thinking that the diagonal transfer should in principle work in two point perspective too? I mean, those lines are, as Marshall said, baked into the surface. But how would one go about finding the correct initial division, if both sides are in perspective. My initial thought was as shown in the images, but I have a feeling this is not correct and I'm missing something. Is this here that we need to introduce that 45˙ vanishing point? Basically, how do I get one of those edges out of perspective to divide it. I feel like I should already know it...
Maria Bygrove
I realized that my original foundation wasn't necessarily based on squares, which I wanted. And that this is where the 45˙ VP comes into play. So I started from scratch, constructing a grid of squares, then raising them up into cubes, and doubling the height - the bays of my church are supposed to be 6m x 6m and 12m high. But I'm still not sure how to divide my bay wall into seven equal parts for the windows. I tried the complicated diagonals method but got lost a couple of times and gave up. Hoping the measuring line will solve the mystery!
Sita Rabeling
Did some measurements in the studio and tried to apply different methods for 3 walls and the ceiling. First image is a preparation for the right view that i wanted. Added a correction... Maybe I'll post more with some furniture in it too... Btw - I only can upload by dragging photo's, not from browsing in my gallery - must be my computer, or??
Sita Rabeling
Don’t know why I didn’t apply this the first time, but I did now and it even almost matches with the earlier estimation :)
Sandra Süsser
Probably not gonna participate this time. Got a lot of other stuff to do and don't really feel like doing a room, BUT I figured out the measuring tricks for 3-7 divisions.
Neill
13h
Thanks Sandra! these are really useful, I copied the grids out. I did get a little lost on how you decided the horizontal lines on 7 though. :)
Marshall Vandruff
You're ahead of the game. Video yet to come... but by the time we get to SEVEN... I'll refer you to the Measuring Line to spare you brain-cell casualties.
Carlos Javier Roo Soto
I'm done for now. Didn't want to add texture until after the critique. I think I'm not gonna draw for the rest of the week because my hand hurts so much. Hopefully I'll feel better by next week.
Ariadne
12d
i have no idea what i am doing
Carlos Pérez
Process so far , i did X for half division , and Out of perspective Uneven segments
Carlos Javier Roo Soto
Here's my progress so far, and thanks to the checker board I already see what proportional errors I need to fix with the cabinets, windows, fridge, ect. And also I did this sketch, that I want to finish in digital, before the assignment dropped trying to use squares to place my perspective trying to apply what I learned from cubes so far. But I'm a little scared than I'm going to forget everything and I'll have to do it all over again. And I'm also debating if I should modify the proportions of the kitchen itself after done measuring, since is gonna be in photoshop, everything I wouldn't loose the perspective, right? What do you think? And how do you see the sketch of the girl at the end?
Carlos Javier Roo Soto
I'm done for now.
Mon Barker
18d
I bet that joker Mon Barker regrets his use of curvilinear perspective in the first example. Diagonals on a curved plane anyone?
Jules Peppler
Well those design plans you came up with were amazing, so, I'm sure you'll be more than fit for the challenge!
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