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Paolo
Hello everyone, here is my attempt at the level 1 project. Looking forward to hearing any feedback.
Paolo
Hi all, this is my first attempt on structure, looking for a critique on what I can improve on.
Diana Mata
3yr
Hello, Paolo. For this exercise, I would also recommend beginning with figuring out how the shapes could be translated into simple boxes. This will be particularly helpful to find the orientation, inclination, and even proportion of the various parts of the body. Hope this is helpful.
Mauri
3yr
Hi Paolo! @Fat Squirrel below has some excellent points for you to follow. One thing I would focus on for the moment is your usage of cross-contours. It's confusing at first to wrap your head around (but it becomes intuitive eventually - promise!) but you need to think about how any of the cross-sections actually "open" towards you. The best example in your image is in the young giraffe's neck.You change the way the cross-contours curve halfway through the neck - from "opening" down to up. But in the photo, all of those circles should continue to "open" up, because you are still looking down "into" them. Gruesome thought - but if you cut the youngsters head, you'd be able to see into the neck, and so the cross contours should be curving accordingly! More advanced notions will be in perspective, but for now I think really nailing your cross-contours will give you a big step towards the solidity and struture you may be looking for!
@tobilovesart101
the body is rigid so try looking into that
Fat Squirrel
Hello! Considering this is your first attempt on structure, you're doing fine. It will help if you used a fineliner / pen / darker pencil so that we can see your artwork better! :) Anyways, here's some tips you could try out. I'll come back with a better explanation with pictures later when I start doing the structure lesson in this course. I happened to have some experience with structure in another course. Firstly, it helps to draw through things, as if you have X-ray vision. I.e Drawing the other sides / faces / lines of a box instead of just drawing the faces that are visible Especially when starting out on structure, we aren't too concerned with likeness or whether it looks good. The most important thing is that it looks convincingly 3D, constructed from basic forms like the box, cube, cylinder, etc., perhaps from organic forms if you're comfortable. As such, you don't just want to draw the silhouette, you want to draw through the entire form, x-ray vision and everything. It help you understand how exactly a form sits on another form, or how it intersects. Also, it will help greatly to construct things with boxes or forms that have defined planes and faces (i.e a box). A box has clear indications of where it is facing and it's orientation, and constructing things and animals using the box will force us to think about orientation. It's something like what you have done with the heads of the giraffes. Perhaps you might want to try doing it with the body. This will provide you with a meaningful challenge that improves your spatial reasoning skills. Another thing, you can also try building up a complex form, such as a giraffe, instead of trying to capture it all in one shot. For example, you can start with a long rectangular box for the torso, then add on some lumps on its back, then the legs, etc. etc. This will give you a basic framework to work off of and help you find your bearings as to where each protrusion and dent is, and what kind of additional form has to be slapped on to match what is seen in the reference. Deconstructing animals into basic forms and structuralising them is harder than it looks, so don't feel discouraged after a few wonky results. Also, there are a few things that are quite important before we can see our attempts in structure being fruitful. 1. Knowing how to draw the basic box / cube. This is a test of perspective, whether we know how to direct the lines into which vanishing point where, and by how much due to foreshortening. Once you are able to draw a box with it's lines accurately converging to appropriate vanishing points, the next level is to be able to be able to rotate them in any orientation you wish. The box is a basic tool in construction. You'll be using this a lot. 2. Being able to wrap contour lines around a rounded form well enough to communicate a convicing form that looks 3D, like you can reach into the paper and grab it. Here's Marshal Vandruff's video on this topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFKMw8YekFY&ab_channel=Proko Try drawing a few sausages and then wrapping them with contour lines. The reason why this will be useful is that when you draw organic, blobby shapes for structure, you'll need to sell the form of that shape, instead of it simply being a 2D blob. Irshad Karim, an instructor on Proko, has a course called Drawabox, or you can simply visit his Youtube channel (Uncomfortable) to see how you explains the concepts and the assignments he gives. At least for myself, he has information on the more basics of the basics, perhaps all of which are needed to be intuitively understood (having practised enough) before I could imagine attempting the exercises here appropriately. He also has a supportive discord community that gives critical feedback, something you can benefit from. (I hope this isn't going against Proko's TOS, since the course is free, and supplements the courses here.) It'll teach you all the basics of the basics and really challenge and level up your spatial reasoning skills for construction. I'm revisiting Proko and the figure drawing course after gaining quite a few skills from Irshad Karim's stuff, having practised enough to be able to tackle this course more effectively. Construction is actually quite the advanced topic, especially for novices like myself. It requires a bunch of other fundamental skills like perspective, before we can pull of structuralising animals well. I had to practice drawing boxes for 2 weeks, 250 of them, before I could get the hang of how to converge lines accurate to vanishing points to get an accurate looking box. Lastly, it is always great to look at the homework of other students and model examples to see how they solve spatial problems, and try to replicate that in your own practice. I hope this helps! (pardon any typos, can't be bothered to spellcheck or grammar) edit: This is my amateur opinion on the matter, so it might help getting differing opinions. I'm not an art teacher, just another person trying to learn art. I might be wrong about certain things, though I hope I'm not. :) -Fat Squirrel
Zoë Ring
Not sure if this is addessed somewhere later, but does size of the paper/practice sketches matter much? I'm using a smaller sketchbook for exercises...
Paolo
3yr
I don't think it matter TBH.
Andrew Joseph Keith
For me the worst smell I can think if right now is the bottom of a garage can that hasn’t been cleaned in months that’s seen foods like fish or meat... yeah that’s pretty bad.
Paolo
3yr
Worked in a landfill, dug up garbage that was buried for 15+ years... by far the worst smell ever...
Paolo
Paolo
3yr
Asked for help
I am having trouble identifying or placing the centerline correctly. Typically, it's either on the opposite end or the direction is backwards. Can anyone explain how to properly identify the centerline to me?
Paolo
Hello, any critique is welcome. I think I have progressed since the very first drawing, but one thing I realizing, I LOVE to draw, even at this stage :)
Paolo
Asked for help
Hello, here are my attempts at capturing gestures from lesson 1. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Thanks :)
Serena Marenco
Hi Paolo, the underlying reasoning behind your sketches is correct but in some cases you miss pieces along the way. The pelvis is an important point of reference when you make such schematic sketches, it helps you to determine the position of the torso and to position the legs correctly: always point it out, as well as the shoulders. On the other hand, in some of your sketches you've left out the line of the spine which, well, it's fundamental. When you draw the gesture, proceed in steps, in the end it's something you'll learn to do automatically, so it's good to follow a method, also to make your work easier. When you look at the photo you want to draw, try to identify the line that crosses the torso (it also includes the neck and therefore connects the head), sometimes it continues in one of the legs and even in an arm. Keep the lines simple: you only need C, S and I-shaped lines to draw the gesture. When you have identified this main line and marked it on the paper, identify how the shoulders and pelvis fit onto it and signal (I-shaped strokes are generally sufficient). At this point, by looking at your sketch, you will already be able to identify the movement and position and possible twisting of the torso. At this point, mark the legs and arms, with fluid gestures: they are not rigid sticks; draw them with C or S, depending on the pose. Even if you have a drawing made up of very few strokes, you will have a great deal of information on pose and movement. Once you are familiar with this part, you can start building shapes on this structure, but don't be in a hurry, all the processes are explained one lesson at a time, so take it one step at a time, it's really worth it. :)
Kiki K.
3yr
I’m a newbie too doing lesson one. Good job at staying below 8 lines!
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