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Do we know if he was consciously using perspective here rather than working very accurately from observation? Ok I realise that water is a moving target, so to speak, but if you look at it closely for long enough you can get an idea of how it arranges in space over time. Much of the skill then is distilling the essence of these dynamics into a representation that makes sense to the observer. Obviously, you have presented this as part of a perspective course and I don't doubt your analysis, but the purpose of perspective is to accurately represent the 3D world on a 2D surface. So I assume that it is possible that an artist sufficiently skilled in accurate observation could produce perspective views without relying on formal perspective techniques.
Marshall Vandruff
Distilling the "essence of these dynamics into a representation" is indeed the core of mastering a phenomenon like water or smoke or foliage, and certainly an accurate observer can produce perspective views, just as we can produce speech without learning to spell. Regarding this piece, we can't know all that was in his mind without asking him... but "consciously using perspective"? I'm glad you don't doubt it. The whole image, to me, shouts awareness!
@lieseldraws
I always wonder about this too when I see works of artists without construction lines that still look 3 dimensional. Not sure if this is the case for everyone - but I’ve heard quite a lot that even when these guidelines are not drawn out, the artists are thinking about them in their head as they draw. So they are consciously using perspective knowledge. Then again, maybe there are those who’ve mastered it to a level that it comes naturally and doesn’t need thinking at all. Pure muscle memory 😅 Personally, I’d be super happy if I could draw like the former - or even with a few guidelines.
John
1mo
I agree with Espy - we will never truly know if it was just observation or a combination of observation and perspective; however, based on lesson 2, perspective techniques had reached most of Asia by the time Hiroshi was creating these pieces. Therefore, it is very likely that he knew of and studied perspective as an artist and student. If he knew how to use perspective techniques, it's hard to imagine he didn't apply it in this wonderful work of art.
Espy
1mo
I don't think we will ever know if he was merely using observation or not for this piece, but I do like to think he was using perspective as a guide to understand how the water is flowing down in this river. Even if through observation he can notice the arrangement of rock formations, I do think knowledge of perspective has to be applied here to fill in the gaps to portray the flow of water into a still image when his subject of the river is constantly flowing, and even in certain situations such as how far and how short the ellipses of the river need to be away from the viewer vs the ellipses that are closest to the viewer.
@keiths
I tried the level 2 drawings, which didn't go so well, to much redrawing and erasing. Lines nor really confident. I also tried to put too much detail in the skull.
Ogechi Ike
4mo
It happens. What's important is that you recognizes the issue.
@keiths
My attempts at the level 1 drawings in this lesson, the snail ean't too bad, but the boot laces nearly drove me insane.
@keiths
Here is my attempt ay both the pear and portrait. I had a go at both, as you can see I went some way towards simplification, but didn't fully get there by any means.
@keiths
I am very likely to purchase the head and figure drawing courses, but am unsure about this course which is quite a bit more expensive. I can see that it would be very useful for more advanced human figure drawing. However, my main interest is in animal drawing, would the techniques learned in this course be helpful in that arena? Obviously the specific anatomies will differ, except possibly for primates, but would there be enough general techniques in learning anatomy to justify buying the course? I should say that I have signed up for Aaron Blaise animal drawing courses so this would be in addition to those.
@shockdart
2yr
you can find a discount code online that drops it down a bit, also you can think of each part of the body as it's own separate course that will take equally as long as the gesture course so you only need to get 1 course at a time every few months or more. It's what I am doing. It took one person on here like 2 years to get through portait, gesture, anatomy.
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