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After some time practicing, here are some of my mannequins. I've tried to keep both balance and proportion (phases of work are: gesture, balance/proportions and finally mannequin) but both will come much better after doing some more specific studies. Should I already try to study either anatomy or more proportions specifically for it? (Proportion for the part between the gesture and the mannequin while anatomy to put on top of the mannequin). Also had very much fun trying to craft poses from my imagination (latest work, its the image with the blue "imagination" label, had the most clear idea with the first) where I also used once a ruler (the green line) Tagging @Liandro and @Crystal Blue (she/her) from my last post! I've trying using a white background (referring to my last post's "dark mode") and I found it very much a game changer so I think I will keep it (at least during the day!) And yeah, I've used my new drawing display on those ones rather than the drawing tablet (and surely not paper by the look of it!).
@vesuvio
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Here are some more drawings. I also did try the robo bean but will make a different thread tomorrow to focus on it. (The marks on paper are actually darker than they appear, the scanner doesn't grab them tho). The images I used can be found here: https://imgur.com/a/NaE5SkH. I haven't really found a way to practice the landmarks so the digital drawing is really as far as I thought about. @Crystal Blue (she/her) thank you for your reply! It's the video I watched but I feel like I could try and get more from it by rewatching. Am I getting this right?
Crystal Blue  (she/her)
it does take some time and practice to sink in :) and remember, you don’t have to take advice if it’s not helping. If you are interested in learning more about that type of thinking though, the video series on the force might explain it better: https://youtu.be/IyuCq6VWVeA for your gesture drawings, remember to stay loose and prioritize big shapes. I can se e you trying to do that, But it looks live you’ve been getting a little lost in the details of the silhouette. I think you could also benefit from doing afew drawings focusing on balance (https://youtu.be/PLBhO-4YEww). A helpful thing to do if you’re not understanding a pose is to go into the pose yourself and see what it feels like. for the robo bean drawing with reference, it doesn’t match the model, but your perspective is solid and I can see that the not matching was a result of you trying to push the pose. Usually when doing this exercise, the goal is to copy the reference to practice observing perspective. This makes it easier to check your work. However if you like combining the robo bean with pushing poses, go for it!
@vesuvio
Here is some more work I've done between those two days @Crystal Blue (she/her) @Liandro . I forgot to specify that I am not using any smoothing functionality. I've tried looking for the Reilly method as Crystal mentioned but I (probably) haven't been able to find the right one as the one I have seen doesn't explain as far as I wished to. I have tried to figure it out myself tho, while trying my best to make use of what I have seen. Proko's image limit doesn't allow me to post everything so I've uploaded the models for the gestures on paper on imgur (Link: https://imgur.com/a/PXtSxkG). I apologize if the paper is thin (using those kinds of sketch books where you draw and then tear the page from the notebook itself to get on the next page while making the drawing unlinked from the rest of the book; It is not possible to go to the next page without removing the previous from the book) and scanning has a little bit of overlapping between the two sides: If it is a problem for you reviewing my work please tell me and I will either grab something else or use one side for sharable gestures and the other (after scanning of course) for warm ups (cubes mainly?). I will probably grab the models less times (rn I always grab so I can put it next to my gesture) in order to speed up the exercise and use line of action's build in timer rather than my phone's. I've also though about trying out some poses that are not from line of action itself.
Liandro
2yr
Hey, @vesuvio! I appreciate your patience in getting my late reply - things have been a bit hectic for me lately, and only now I’m getting back to Proko, hopefully for a more steady run. :) I think these gesture sketches look really good! The first one is probably my favorite in terms of smooth flow and exaggeration: I love the intensity of that S-curve on the spine and how it seems to flow down toward the leg. One thing you might wanna be aware of though is that the sketch misses the foreshortening of the pose. The way I see it, this is not a big deal for this context - you’re starting off, and foreshortening is a whole other level of complexity for your visual perception, so, for now, nothing to be corrected yet, just something to keep in mind and begin noticing gradually in future sketches. I wonder what lead you to draw with white lines on a black background! No problem with that, just curious because dark lines on light canvases is what we see most commonly. The sketches on other pages also show a nice sense of smooth flow, especially pages 5 and 6! I see you wrote a question on your second page: “How do I show the whole weight ends up here?” Since that’s the only foot touching the ground, the viewer will intuitively understand that the body weight should be placed entirely there when they “read” your drawing - to make sure that sense of weight is believable, there are a few things you can try: give the foot and leg stronger line definition; use straighter lines, sharper angles and bolder strokes on the foot to visually describe muscular tension and support there; make sure the foot is placed coherently with the figure’s center of gravity so it looks balanced. Further lessons on the Figure course should help you with this idea of balance, but the other two are things you can try to start implementing right now. I’m attaching a draw-over of my own to illustrate how I’d solve it, hope it helps. Let me know if you have any questions about it. About the Reilly method: Tim Gula gives a pleasing watching-worthy demo of how he applies it in the video posted below by @Crystal Blue (she/her), and it actually gets pretty close to what Stan explains in gesture lessons. There are some other resources out there about the Reilly method, such as this course by Mark Westermoe at New Masters Academy: https://www.nma.art/v3/course-catalog/courses/114916?lesson=30468 And my personal favorite: @Court Jones’s lesson from his caricature course: The Abstraction – Reilly Method for Caricature Drawing (although, of course, this one is focused just on the head). Sadly, though, there don’t seem to be too many other materials with clear complete explanations on how the Reilly method works, or at least not to my knowledge. Most of the stuff we find about Reilly’s ways seems to have been passed on by his students and his students’ students, not by himself, so the information is not so neatly organized. The good news is that the overall logic behind the method is simply this: use flowing, rythmic lines to make the elements of a structure connect as a whole. In a figure, that can mean looking for long action lines from head to foot, visualizing continuity between the parts on different sides and trying to convey a feeling of “connectedness” across the whole body. Having this main idea of connecting rhythms in mind and using other concepts and techniques from the gesture lessons, with some practice, we should be able to sketch without necessarily getting attached to any schemes or pre-made formulas - although, of course, we can always refer to previously thought out methods such as Reilly’s, Loomis’s or any other as a way to stand on the shoulders of these giants there came before us. Additionally, you might also like to get some familiarity with other sketching masters, such as @Glenn Vilppu, @Mike Mattesi and Michael Hampton. Bonus comments: sure, definitely go ahead and use other poses, not just the ones from Line of Action! And, as a suggestion, you might like to use a collage, design or photo editing app to assemble various drawings into one single image - that way, you can post as many drawings as you want despite the website’s image attachment limit. In a computer, you could use good old Photoshop or any other software that allows you to import many images into one same file; and, on your phone, you could try Layout, PicCollage, Canva or any other similar app (there are tons of them!). Hope you’ll find this feedback helpful. Let me know in case any other doubts pop up. Best regards!
Crystal Blue  (she/her)
Here’s the Reilly method video: https://youtu.be/StRohW0Og3w you seem to be grasping it pretty Wel though, keep up the good work!
@vesuvio
Hello all! I have read @Crystal Blue (she/her), @Liandro and @kemon replies and would really like to thank you all. I tried limiting my time (30 seconds in regards for gesture while the bean was free from time limits) and will attach my work. @Liandro hit the point in regards of using my whole arm (which is still a little difficult to do on my screenless tablet.) so I have also done some of the pictures on paper and experimenting with joints. I am a really big fan of mechanical pencils so I used those instead of a traditional pencil (I am not sure but I think a mechanical pencil's mark is similar to only using the tip of a traditional pencil). I am also thinking about looking for something that is able to stop my hand from getting stuck on the paper when its too warm or keep control when its too cold (I have noticed either either temperatures can be a little annoying, although its not really much). Lastly, although you can see a little bit of "rust" in my drawings (I was only able to practice seldomly) I will now be able to practice way more often (ideally every day). I will keep trying on both paper and tablet and will wait for your replies. Thank you once again!
Liandro
2yr
Glad I could help, @vesuvio! I’ll make more detailed comments on the other post above. Overall, nice work, keep going!
Crystal Blue  (she/her)
Nice work! The big lines you’re using make the poses flow very nicely. what you can try doing now is pushing the poses even further. Think about the motion the figure is making and then intensify it. It’s helpful to think about what each part of the figure is doing (ex. Supporting weight, stretching, relaxing). I’d check out the videos on this site on the Reilly method if that doesn’t make sense, I’m also happy to answer any questions :)
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@vesuvio
2yr
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Gesture and bean
After a little break, I have restarted making gesture drawings and when I felt confident enough, I tried to go on drawing the bean for my poses. I do not keep timing when drawing. Do you think I should try? Also, I find it really hard to draw the bean on my drawing tablet due to the curve being round. Probably because I cannot see my hand there (it is not a screen tablet). What could I do to ease up drawing those curves? I mainly draw with wrist and rarely with shoulder, could it be the issue?
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Adam Wiebner
@vesuvio Gestures look good! As Stan talks about in gesture video, individual limbs themselves are asymmetrical so he suggests how to approach gesture of the leg in steps, and so with specific example of leg, that may be helpful to try out his example approach., Also, Something to experiment with when drawing limbs is choosing to emphasize a straight line on one side / segment of limb to oppose with curviness of other side of limb. J Scott Campbell once said if you want dynamic figures its all about contrasting curves and straights. I think Norman Rockwell said if you see something approximately straight in nature/ body, emphasizes it as even straighter to give contrast to all the curves elsewhere. I hope that helps.
Michael Brinker
I feel like you may be focusing to much on the contour of the figure then the flow of the figure. I would re-watch some of the gesture videos and focus more on the flow off the body and not the individual parts of the body. I hope that helps and makes sense.
Steve Lenze
Hey Vesuvio, It's good your back to drawing. These drawings are more in the spirit of gesture drawings then what you were doing before. The first two drawings are pretty good, I can really feel the movement. But one of the things I noticed is that you are not including the head in the gesture, it looks like an after thought. Try to find a gesture line that goes from the head, through the whole body (or as much of the body as you can). Also, pay attention to the angles of the body, some of your drawings are tilted too much or too straight up and down. I did some sketches to show you what I mean, I hope it helps :)
@vesuvio
3yr
Hello there and thanks for the feedback! Its nice to see you again! I didn't really understand the angles part but I indeed found what you meant with the head being after thought. Going over my process, I noticed I usually place the head as a circle first and then go down the spine so, in order to learn to include it more, I have decided to try and make it "part of the spine itself" by removing the circle and attempting to give it an action line by itself. Here are some tries that I made over the past day, once again with a number from the oldest (1) to the newest (8). I also would like to try doing this exercise on paper to see if my drawing tablet is a big limit for me. I also started thinking about using more light lines in the beginning and slowly refining my gesture with darker ones, although at the beginning I would have many messy and useless lines. Would it still make sense? Last thing: While practicing lineofaction showed me a pose and I realized I had zero idea on how to even begin on it. How would one capture the gesture of that one pose? (The pose is the only image that doesn't have neither a try at gesture or the number to time it).
@vesuvio
Quite a bit of time ago, I've started trying learning to draw. I found proko's figure drawing foundamentals's playlist and it was really a gift from heaven. However at some point I hit a wall during mannequinization: My gesture wasn't really good and in the end I was more likely to ignore it during forms construction rather than actually making good use of it (you should still be able to find my other post here somewhere). Then life has got busy and I haven't had a chance to touch my drawing tablet for quite a while but today I finally managed to and planning to start over learning to draw (both by using proko's videos and ctrl+paint). This time, however, I do not want rely on poor basics and therefor have decided to seek for help in regards of my gesture drawings. I've posted a few gesture drawings I made after rewatching the "Gesture drawing video" (one is made before and after seeing the pose on the step by step video, one is only before watching the same pose on the video). When I used to try and get gesture down, almost would always rely on contours so this once I tried to focus on the motion as much as I could so sorry if they seem a little bad.
Steve Lenze
Hey Vesuvio, I like how you broke down your thinking on this drawing. I will say, you picked a pretty difficult pose to work on, sitting poses can be hard, especially with a twisting torso. try to work out the pose by drawing the two major masses in the body, the torso and the pelvis. You also compressed the pose because of the sitting pose. I did a sketch to show you how I would do it. I hope this helps you going forward :)
@vesuvio
3yr
Hello! Thank you for answering! I see you made the ribcage more indipendent from the pelvis too! I tried to apply it and posted two more drawings with it! Please check them out whenever you can!
@vesuvio
I realized one of the two I was supposed to post was a way too complicated pose and turned out pretty badly so I discarded it. However I made two more drawings to check out. (The one with the bean is the older one, the other two are newer). I also followed Steve Lenze's advice and made both the ribcage and the pelvis more "indipentent" while before the box for the torso and the box for the pelvis were close by. I also noticed that giving contour to the figure made them better so I did. I still am a little confused on how I should start moving on into a more defined character, with detail and all. I also wonder if there is anything else I could improve with as other people work still looks, at first glance, more clear.
Steve Lenze
Hey Vesuvio, These are much better. The first and third one are not bad, but the second one has some issues. Make sure you start with a good gesture, then move on to the structural drawing. Also, try to use shapes for the structure that look more like the actual body parts, not just blocks and tubes. This will help you to move toward more realistic drawings. I hope the sketch I did helps explain things and is helpful :)
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