Julian Blake
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Julian Blake
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Dear @Stan Prokopenko and @Mike Mattesi I have learned so much from you, and I can usually get ok-ish gesture drawings thanks to your lessons, but I have an incredibly hard time trying to draw people in relaxed poses: people sitting at a café, waiting for the bus, eating at a restaurant or just casually walking. Do you have any tips to be able to draw this poses were nothing really stands out and I just can't see many rhythms or force to draw an interesting shape? I really like urban sketching, and of course people are not doing any stretching or weird movements, and I find my drawings all stiff and with no interesting shapes. Any tips to improve my drawings of people not really moving? Thank you so much for your help!
Mike Mattesi
Hi Julian, I love drawing on location. 2 suggestions, rhythms and FORCE first since people are moving. Second, Check out my youtube channel FORCE with Mike Mattesi. A few weeks back we did a video on drawing more relaxed poses. Hope it helps.
Julian Blake
I just finished the lessons today, so I didn't have time to do all 20, but I gave it a shot. I still struggle with that jaw in perspective and with the jaw length and width.
Julian Blake
Is it my impression, or the steps 8, 9, 10, and 11 were kindda rushed in the editing? I didn't really get the full process in those steps.
Ash
4mo
Hey Julian! This is a roadmap/course outline for what's to come in the next lesson groups. Mr. Hampton will explain steps 8-11 in the upcoming videos :)
Julian Blake
Holy Smokes, Mr @Michael Hampton I am a bit ashamed to ask this question after all the lessons and exercises (which I have seen and done. I'm just missing the latest one) but I am still confused with the brow line, and the length and width of the jaw. I mean, is there like a "landmark" for the eyebrow position, like the center line of the sphere in the Loomis method? I understand the "glasses" metaphor for the angle, but I mean the initial placement. How high or low in the ball is the initial brow line? How do I know if I'm placing it correctly? In the exercises I was just guessing based on the reference. Regarding the length, you explained is 1/3 of the total space of the head in the front, but how about in the extreme poses? How do I know if I am shortening or lengthening my lines too much? Is there a point of reference, a landmark in the ball, or in those angles or something to measure? Same thing with jaw width. Do I just guess by eye? I hope you or anyone in the community can help me. Thank you so much in advance.
@csen
4mo
The brow line is very similar to the equator around the cranium. The major axis of the brow line should be roughly in the center of the circle. I HIGHLY recommend that, instead of trying to find logic here, you just do 50 or so sketches of heads from different angles and verify that the brow is roughly on the equator. These rules are not precise, even in the breakdown I did below you can see how none of the lines are exact. Just an oversimplification that can help you break down each individual pose. You can also draw over references and add the guidelines if you're really struggling. @mischawilliams might also be helpful for you
@mischawilliams
I was just about to ask the same question!
Dave Sakamoto
Hello! Here are more 4 Step Method examples. I struggled with the bottom planes of the jaw.
Julian Blake
Hello, Dave! I just wanted to thank you for sharing your drawings, I'm seeing the feedback you got on the video, and seeing how you constructed your heads, your lines, your angles, even the line quality has helped me so much and I am getting so many tips and tricks that can help me improve. I'm learning a lot from your work, so, thank you so much, mate!
Julian Blake
Hi, I know it is quite late, but I still wanted to give it a try. I still steuggle with the length and width of the jaw, and the perspectives, but here they go. Any comments are most appreciated.
@lightsdesu
Hey Michael Hampton, Thanks for the class lessons and critiques. I was hoping you can help me understand the equatorial line? The equatorial line cuts the sphere in half, and that determines the brow to ear relation? For some reason I cant fully grasp it. I end up putting the brow line much higher or lower than the relationship of thirds of the face.
Julian Blake
Hi, What I got from the video is that the equatorial line is not the angle of brow-ear per se, but a line that should always be in the center of the sphere. Similar to the tilt, but horizontally. Now, that line should be the major axis (or the long centerline) of the ellipse that you find by checking the angle formed by the brow to the ear. You can have the same equatorial line form 2 different brow to ear angles, depending of the pose. I made a bad drawing to explain it, I hope it helps.
Julian Blake
Thanks for this lesson, Mr Hampton! I have a question. Will later in the course be mentioned how to identify "landmarks" even for this basic constructions of the head? I mean, you mentioned that the ball is like 3/4 of the head. Is there such a reference for, let's say, identify where to put the eyebrow? Something like in Loomis' head where you put in in the centre of the ball. I'm a true beginner, so I get lost without references like this. Thanks!
Michael Hampton
Yes, in the upcoming lesson we cover the landmarks of the skull
Julian Blake
BEHOLD!! This is where my two main weaknesses meet and make me shake in awe and fear: line quality and cross-contour lines! My hand is so stiff, man! I always have a really hard time creating C curves that feel rounded and maintaining the form. Let alone being able to make the cross contour lines on a vertical plane to really make it feel 3d, but I gave it a shot anyways!
Melanie Scearce
I agree with Julien! I traced over the photo to see if I could figure it out...be careful where you place the spine, it may have tripped you up in this case. As for the stiffness, just keep drawing everyday and focus on practicing your C curves! You'll work it out. Good luck :)
julien Gaumet
Good job, I think it looks great ! A little issue on the long fish when the cross contour line direction change. I had the same difficulty in my attempts. I guess the curve need to go slowly flatter until it is almost straight and then go back to a curve the other way. I try to think about it like 4 point perspective. Hopefully it helps :)
Julian Blake
Gosh, this lesson was confusing for me!
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