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@stub
Toronto, Canada
Finally putting some focus and structure to a very neglected passion for art.
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I copied Proko's demo and then went back using just the reference photo to see what I retained. Any critique is welcome.
Hofan
3yr
great process!
@stub
I saw someone else on here mention going over these examples three times: first without any guidance, then copying Stan's demo to know what to look for, then again with just the pose as reference to see what information was retained. That sounded like a good approach so that's what I did. Any feedback is welcome. I can see obvious errors in muscular anatomy, so I'll be going back over this pose and many others.
@stub
Here are some snippets of my structure practice, any feedback is appreciated.
Serena Marenco
Hi stub! When you draw solid shapes (I'm referring to the cup for example, but it's a general guideline), when sketching, draw the part you can't see, in a light way. It will be easier to verify the correctness of the construction. When drawing animals, don't use only curved figures, such as circles and cylinders. Curves are certainly good for measurements and geometric construction of shapes, but in some cases it would be more convenient to use boxes, such as for the shoulders and pelvis, so you have a better idea of the rotation of various parts of the body. Some animals, for example, such as cattle, can be recognized precisely by their square shape (if you draw a cow or a buffalo you will notice that they are very square). Also the heads often, especially in horses and reptiles, are more wedges than cones. Also never forget the gesture and to consider each body part as a piece of a whole, not separate forms. :)
David Sánchez
Alright, since those are especific questions, I will give you the epecific reasons why the bean works that way. At the very end are the direct answers and critiques, the rest is the explanation and hopefully it's clear enough (was difficult to me to condense it). Full Explanation: You have to remenber 2 key parts about this excercise: 1.- The whole point of this exsercise it's to exaggerate, the streching, pinches and twisting are going to be even clearer in the bean than the pose itself, 2.-The bean is meant to be an analogy of the torso, and doesn't have to represent the exact anatomical information, but to represent the motion. For example: the first pose shows a curve created by the back of the rib cage transitioning to the neck trough the trapezius. You can analyze the entire line and use it to your advantage in a more difined gesture drawing, but when studying the bean you should ignore it, because the bean does not include the neck, it's just the masses created by the ribcage and pelvis+middle fleshy part. Visualize your first form as the rib cage, imagine the oval representing ONLY the rib cage (no muscles) and think how the center line travels in this simple oval. For the second pose is the same, the center line doesn't have to represent the exact line that the spine creates. Unless the model is a contortionist, you won't see a clean pinch in the back; but since the bean it's an exaggerated analogy, you should represent the pinch in the back if the model it's bending backwards. Short answers: 1. He IS ignoring the neck and only considerates the rib cage. 2. Another way to represent that pose with the bean is with a pinch in the back. Regarding the critiques, keep in mind the 2 key points. The center line must flow within the volumes you draw, not necessarily the exact line you see. For things like understanding the forms or the lines dexterity, it's pretty much practice. Remember that, regardless the tool or medium you use, draw from your shoulder. Hope this can be useful to you.
@stub
3yr
Thanks for the thorough response.  I definitely have a lot more practice to do, but this was useful.
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@stub
3yr
added a new topic
2 questions about Beans
I've been going through the Figure Fundamentals course and two poses came up in the Bean section that I thought were a bit interesting/tricky. I've attached the two poses along with some of my other beans in case there is anything worth critiquing. 1. Stan seems to ignore the S-shape induced in the spine/centerline by the twist in the neck. Is this simply because the bean is focused only on the torso, and he has simplified the pose to ignore the head/neck? 2. Stan's version of the bean here is obviously exaggerated to show the centerline on the front of the bean. How might one draw the bean for this pose in a less exaggerated way where the centerline is seen at the back?  I know I'm kinda overthinking this stuff; I'm asking mostly just out of curiosity, not because I'm bogged down looking for the exact way to draw each pose. Thanks for your input!
@stub
Here are my beans for these poses. I drew them without watching Stan's version, and then red-lined them based on what I judged to be the major differences between mine and Stan's.  It seems the placement of my centerline (as opposed to the direction) and overall shape design are my main issues, but further critique is welcomed.
@cherrykotah
that's a brilliant idea i get so frustrated when I do beans myself but when I follow stan's I feel like I have my own stage so i'll have to rewatch the course from before with pure observation and come back and will try and do the way you do it, thank you so much stub!
Georgi Valkov
Hi, everyone! Posting these ones for critique. I feel like I'm kind of getting stuck with gesture... I just started with gesture a week ago and I've been going really hard at it. I usually warm up for about 15-20 minutes with 30 sec to 1 min poses. After that I do 2-3 minute poses for about two hours every day. For less than 10 days I almost filled a sketchbook (A4) with 100 pages... However, the first 3-4 days were mostly abominations of the figure, but I feel like I'm finally starting to get a grip on proportions. On gesture - not so much, so any advice would be appreciated! I really love the community here and I'm super happy I finally decided to take the Figure Drawing Fundamentals course, and be a part of it :)
@stub
3yr
Hey Georgi, these look pretty good to my eye. The one thing I'm noticing is that your gestures are picking up a lot on the forms/contours of the body (mostly in regards to the leg muscles it seems).  I think in certain cases they would translate the movement/flow of the poses better with more continuous strokes (or a zig-zag at the knee depending on the pose).  I'm pretty new to drawing in general so take my critique with that in mind. Keep it up, cheers!
@stub
I'm a total newbie so these are pretty rough. Still working on pencil control. I've noticed I seem to draw my heads consistently too small, but if you notice any other recurring errors that would be greatly appreciated.
Polypus
3yr
Hey stub, I'm still very much a beginner myself but wanted to offer some stuff I'm noticing for you. First - you're doing really well. I'm seeing improvement from the start to the end. You are learning and that's great! You can see yourself loosen up and begin to really let the knowledge sink in. Now, how can we take that knowledge and turn it into further skill? Well let's take a look at areas of weakness we can strengthen. 1. The drawings are focused more on form, than flow. In a number of your drawings you're following the contour of the shapes too closely rather than letting the overall energy of movement/pose be the star of the show. See Ref. 1 for an example. 2. Some lines are stiff, and this will improve with pencil control and overall knowledge. Don't be afraid of curves; embrace them! No matter what pose the human body is in, there is always a curve that dictates the energy of movement. Use that curve! Exaggerate! See Ref. 2 for an example. General tips: 1. Embrace the line of action. Reminder - A Line of Action is a line that represents the overall flow of the form. Often we stop short and only use it to dictate the torso, but it goes for the whole figure! 2. Be not afraid of mistakes. - Often when we want to put line to paper, we hesitate, we worry, our anxious brains make our hands start and stop. Push beyond that anxiety, let the line flow. Will you get it wrong? Often. Is that a problem? Not at all. Let your lines flow. 3. Speaking of lines - Not all of them need to connect. We're not dictating shape, form, or volume with these gestures. It's hard to leave the line unconnected, it feels unfinished, However, we want to know how the river flows, not how wide it is. 4. Keep it up! You're doing great and you've taken your first steps towards better, more dynamic figures. We've a way ahead of us, but we will get there. Sorry if this was too much, but I hope it helps in some fashion. Edit: Also, please take everything I say with a grain of salt. Again, I'm a newbie as much as anyone so not all of my information is set in stone by the art gods.
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