Patrick Velena
Patrick Velena
Winnipeg
Aspiring character Artist
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Patrick Velena
Great work on the structure of this study and in keeping the silhouette. One thing I would point out tho is that the head feels a little bit large which throws the proportion off a little. I dont mind the left tilt of the head as it doesnt change much unless its not intentional you would have to correct if you are aiming for accuracy for this study. You can also stretch out the abdominal area a tad bit lower but all in all, great job!
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Thanks, Patrick, I can see now what you say about the tilt, indeed it wasn't my intention for it to look like that.
Patrick Velena
I would say that the head is a bit off proportions even if it is in "anime" style but great work nonetheless. If you're new to digital I would suggest to practice drawing without zooming in your canvas and treat it as a physical paper so you always see everything rather than focusing on every detail. only zoom in when you want to render details which I've learned the hard way and its really hard to unlearn when you do it for a long time. Always use reference, always squint, and keep on drawing!
Pedro Henrique D'Oliveira
Patrick Thanks! you were right! i had to zoom a lot of times, when i was drawing i focused more on the parts that i didnt feel comfortable ,i will keep what you said in mind.Yeah that one i just used reference for the face, i will keep going and thanks a lot man!
Tim Dosé
That's really tough ref to work from! The lighting is almost straight from the front, and a little above. So, almost everything is in the light. There's almost no core shadow—just under the jaw, a sliver on the breast, and probably an even smaller sliver on the fingers of the hand near the head. Can you explain a bit more about what you mean by just using two values? I see a lot more than 2 values. It's just a really compressed value range.
Patrick Velena
Yes i do agree im using a tough reference. And apologies if I had worded that wrong. It is just in a really compressed value range but so far I've been using this technique that I've picked up from Dorian Iten's video which helped me alot tremendously in simplifying the forms and I've started to love using these 2 range of values. I find Im spending alot of time in grouping values when im using the 5-value method so this has been helpful so far
Patrick Velena
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Figure drawing 02
Been practicing just applying/using two-values in my recent studies this past week and it helped me break down everything into its simplest value and I actually started to realize where and how core shadows work. But I've come across to a problem where I realized Im not painting in light properly or so I think. And it started to show here in last night's study. Would love to ask for some help or advice on what Im doing wrong and could help me into the right direction.
Tim Dosé
There's a lot of really good stuff in this one. Looking at your gallery this one shows a lot of progress. Nice work! I did a quick paintover. Here are some of the things I focused on: - Turning the form, particularly along the profile. Look for overlaps and changes in value. They're there, but happening really quickly since it's aalllmost in profile, but not quite. If you don't put them in, it'll feel flat. You may have felt this in the mouth—there are lots of little opportunities for overlap and value change. Also, the darkness of the hair is probably playing some tricks on you and making things along the edge of the face look lighter than they actually are. - Working on edges. As Luigi and Gabriel mentioned, hair is soft, so giving it some softer edges can help. But it's also about varying edges on all the forms—soft, hard, firm, lost, broken, etc. In general, a given shape on a 3D form rarely has the same edge all the way around. - Organizing the highlights. Which is the strongest? Vary the edges on highlights as well. Keep in mind that highlights are reflections layered *over* the matte shading (see this WIP video I've been working on about highlights: https://youtu.be/xC69A5tMr74) - The neck! Don't forget it's generally a cylinder. There are a few interesting lines from the musculature, but don't forget the larger form underneath all that. Look for the value changes to indicate it's a cylinder. - Putting in some occlusion shadows from the hair as it blocks light from reaching the forms behind/underneath. - Turning concave forms into a series of overlapping convex forms. Generally when drawing the figure, convex forms work best unless deliberately stylizing. - Toning down the texture of the hair. Leaving it in spots, but softening in others. - Knocking down the value of the jacket. Compositionally it's competing with the face—the light of the jacket next to the dark of the hair is the strongest contrast in the picture (it's also a very sharp edge). Our visual system is strongly drawn to faces and to high contrast, so they're fighting a bit. - I decided to put the silhouette of the hair back in, rather than the background strokes you put in. I liked the graphic nature of the hair against the flat background, but that's more personal taste. I think you could make the brushstrokes work, but right now they're introducing a new, unprecedented texture into the picture and thus draw more attention than they should. This is exacerbated by the contrast between the strokes and the background. Here's a video of the paintover, in case that's interesting: https://youtu.be/bdlmIgVfeH4 Hope this helps! Please let me know if you have any questions.
Patrick Velena
Oh wow this is super helpful! thank you for the wonderful overpaint and great insight. Now that you've mentioned it using white on the jacket is very distracting. And thank you for showing me how to do the hair as i've always struggled on how to simplify it! This is super helpful and I've learned abit from your application of occlusion shadow and fixing the highlights and structure of it! I still have this feeling of flatness after i've finished this piece since I can tell there's something wrong around the cheek areas. I'll definitely keep going back to your video whenever I have a hard time!
Luigi Manese
Hi @Patrick Velena, this is a beautiful study. I especially appreciate how you exaggerated some of the facial features of the face to get a nice design going. The original model definitely has a 'sharpness' to her, and I like how you incorporated that design language to her eyebrows, nose, lips, and chin. As mentioned by Gabriel, I do think that you could simplify the material rendering of the hair into big shapes with soft edges. Additionally, you can differentiate the silhouette of the hair by giving it a soft edge as well. This will communicate a material difference between the hair and the face. Overall great work, hope this helps!
Patrick Velena
Thank you! Im still trying my best in incorporating what kind of edges I should do but I always end up doing more hard edges as I still feel a bit uncomfortable using softer edges which im still trying to overcome. But im glad you liked it!
Gabriel Kahn
Hey there! I love your values, you pretty much nailed them :) I'd drop that brushwork on her hair, while it's "artistic" it messes up the silhouette and it forces the viewer to focus on that area, which might not be your intention. Other than that, try to simplify the hair a bit. Instead of drawing every piece of hair individually, try to clump them up into bigger shapes. Simpler shapes are just easier on the eye. Keep up the good work mate! :)
Patrick Velena
Thank you very much Gabriel! I've always struggled in doing hair and I always end up dong this sratchy-feeling brushstrokes whenever i do hair since im still wrapping my head around it to do it. But glad you liked it!
Patrick Velena
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Portrait Study 04
Been trying to do more portraits and keeping in mind the basic form/anatomy of the face.been also trying to learn to blend more
Leon ter Molen
Hi @Patrick Velena, Nice portrait studies and quick sketches! I like the lights and shadows in the two portrait studies. :) To me it seems that instead of really studying and understanding the shapes/construction and anatomy of these heads, that you "just" copied the visual information that was presented in the reference photos. (not that this is a bad thing per se) Also, in some of these studies it seems that you focus on lights and shadows, in others on likeness, and in some on linework. (all good things to study!). But I wonder, when you started these studies, did you have a topic in mind that you wanted to focus on? What did you want to learn with these studies? I am asking these questions, because for me it helps when I ask myself these kind of questions when I start to make (portrait)studies. Hopefully I don't sound rude, only wanting to help. ;) Awesome work!! Sincerely, Leon
Patrick Velena
Hello Leon nice to meet you and you dont have to worry about being rude :) And regarding about your question, im going to be honest that not much anatomy was considered in these studies. I would say midway this became about values, light, shading/blending technique out of frustration because I've realized that i don't know much of the anatomy of the skull so i mostly eyeballed it. And emphasis on technique so Ive been trying to learn to "paint" and paint light/values as Ive only recently started doing art during the pandemic. But thank you for asking that out as Ive realized I should've also focused & emphasized learning more of the shapes and forms of the face than just blindly copying. And yes! I did just copy the visual information from the reference! I do appreciate for asking, if i may ask do you know any helpful resources that's free or cheaper and similar to proko as im still saving up to purchase his whole tutorial package. Thank you in advance! -Patrick
Patrick Velena
do you have any advice for somebody who lives in a city where there's no thriving art community/schools. I don't mind online communities but I have problem keeping up with it because i mostly spend my free time doing activities such as working out & hiking (away from the computer/devices) when im not doing art hence i don't have much art friends i can connect with.
@aby_graphite
You can emulate james gurney's routine when you are out and about. Check out his youtube. For more basic stuff check out kirsty partridge. There are many great deviant art groups. Online schools depend on what branch of art would you like to specialise in. For figure drawing there's proko and few courses on udemy. For comic drawing besides udemy you can check out how to draw comics dot net and trent kaniuga's gumroad. Even facebook has some great art groups.
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