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Luigi Manese
Luigi Manese
Orange County
Fantasy Illustrator and Character Designer
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Luigi Manese
Hi @yeej9354 I think sticking to boxes for the torso would be a good idea since it looks like using a slightly complex form (like the one you're using now) is throwing you off a bit. It also looks like your gesture lines for your figures is getting mixed up with your centerlines, but we can more accurately assess that if you do decide to do another go at these using boxes. It may also help to do some exercises of drawing boxes on a page and making sure the perspective of all of those boxes feel right. If you need help with any of these, feel free to tag me and I can take a look!
Luigi Manese
Hi @Matthew Alexander, the basic procedure of these Notan Master Studies is to try to simplify a painting into big abstract shapes of black and white. It is recommended that you redraw each of your studies instead of tracing over it because this will help to keep your eye for draftsmanship fairly sharp. When you first do these studies the exercise is going to be about analyzing the image and distilling it into it's most important parts. You're going to run into a lot of situations where it isn't clear cut whether 'this part should be black' or 'this part should be white', and when you run into these situations you just want to ask yourself what the image is really about, and THAT should inform your breakdown. Try to notice the focal areas of the original image and make sure your graphic breakdown retains focus in those same areas. If you ever give some of these a shot, feel free to post them! I love doing composition studies so I'd be happy to give some pointers if there are any specific areas that you end of struggling with. Hope this helps!
Matthew Alexander
okay, thank you very much for your answer. I will try to post them when I do this exercise.
Boomblooka
Im pretty new to proko, and I wanted to get better at drawing figures the way I imagine them. Ive done some quick 30 second gesture sketches from images i found online. I think I need improve the proportions. Any recommendations? Thanks!
Luigi Manese
Hi @Boomblooka, to address your question about proportions specifically, are you trying to do these gesture studies with standard adult proportions? If so, I feel like your heads may be slightly too big in comparison to the body. In general, the human body is about 6 - 7.5 heads tall. A lot of your studies look like the bodies are about 5 - 5.5 heads tall, so if you lengthen the rest of the bodies for your future studies then the proportions should feel right. Hope this helps!
Luigi Manese
Hi @Matthew Rawles, I think what you may be struggling with at the moment is your separation of values. Right now, your values for your lights and your values for your darks are very close together, pretty much right next to each other on the gray scale. Because of this, you are losing the believability of light on your image. I think it may be a good idea to try to nail down the values of your image in grey scale first before heading into color. Since you're working digitally, there are quite a few tools to help you nail down those colors after you establish your portrait in greyscale. Hope this helps! Let me know if there is anything that I can clear up for you
Matthew Rawles
@Luigi Manese thank you for the input im going to play with grayscale a bit
Luigi Manese
Hi @Christopher Tomley, this is a pretty solid start! This is a bit late but maybe I can give some input that you can take into consideration for your next study (I'm assuming this drawing might already be finished by now haha). So, I googled Grogu and I'm pretty sure I found the image that you were referencing from. From what I can see in the image, Grogu is mostly in shadow, and he has a source of really strong direct light coming from the right side. Having this information is critical because this is what's going to inform our plan for the drawing. So, we want to keep the separation of light and shadow clear on our object, this means that the area of direct light coming from the right side needs to have a clear value separation from everything else (which is in shadow). It looks like you added a lot of detailed information in the fabric which could be simplified more. Most of his clothing is being hit by ambient light, so the value variation between the folds is going to be very subtle. This is the main thing that I tackled in my paint over below. Doing this allows for a clear separation between the direct light, the ambient light, and the ambient occlusion in the deep folds of his clothes. Hope this helps and let me know if there is anything that I can clear up for you!
Christopher Tomley
Hey @Luigi Manese thankyou for taking the time to do such a detailed response. The draw over really helps me see what you mean. I deffinetly felt scared of not going dark enough but then ended up going to far with it. I can also see where you mean about separating the direct light from the ambient. I think oppositely I was afraid to be bold with my lighter values. I sadly did continue and finish this project but I will take your feedback to my next project thankyou!
Luigi Manese
Hi @Natali Santini, on top of Vincentius's critique about designing the limb shapes for your figures, I think I also want to add one more critique: watch out for your proportions! Having proper proportions is one of the hardest things to nail in a drawing, so don't sweat if you might be struggling in this area. The most common pattern I see in your drawings is that your heads feel a bit too small in comparison to the bodies you've drawn. If you make them about 20%-25% bigger, then it should feel right. My critique was pretty simple so if you have any questions regarding Vincentius's critique then I can go more in depth into that principle as well. I'm sure Vincentius can elaborate if you ask them too! Hope this helps!
Natali Santini
Thank you! So is it the right time for me to start learning the muscles to apply this principle? And whenever one muscle squashes does the opposing muscle always stretch?
Luigi Manese
Hi @mussienko, I love your use of color in all of these studies! I think you have a pretty good self critique of your work, and I think the most impactful thing that you can work on would be to punch up your values. Right now, I think the areas in light and in shadow are not made all that clear. For example, looking at the road in your first painting, it looks like there are some segments of it that should be in light and other segments that are in shadow, however both your light and shadow values are too close to each other to communicate that. In order to get this clear separation of light and shadow, you might have to start either exposing your image to the light, or exposing your image to the shadow. When you expose your image to the light, it means you have a higher value range for objects being hit by light, and you compress the values for objects in shadow. When you expose your image to the shadows, you do the opposite: you have a higher value range for objects in shadow, and you compress the values for objects in the light. I've attached two separate images to illustrate this point. The first image is exposed for the light. Everything that's in shadow has been simplified to black (sometimes dark blue). Everything else is in the light. This allows the artist to get a clear separation of values for light and shadow for even the dark jackets in the scene. The second image shows a painting that is exposed for shadow. Notice how much color information and variation the artist is able to get in the shadows. Also notice that how everything in the light is basically white, in order to achieve that clear separation of value. Hopefully this concept can help as you try to apply it in your future studies. I think the challenge for you is going to be in keeping your color vibrancy while doing this value separation, but push through and your paintings are just going to get stronger. Hope this helps, and let me know if there is anything that I can clear up for you!
@mussienko
3yr
@Luigi Manese, thank you so much for your advice! I went out and tried to apply it today. I think it worked really well, especially in this direct sunlight condition. Looking back on it I probably could’ve pushed it further, but pretty happy with the result nevertheless. Excited to experiment further and expose the scene to the light next time! 
Yiming Wu
3yr
Choosing a non-middle exposure reference is quite neat! I haven't thought of this much because for most of time when I photograph I'm doing it in a representational way where it is meant to capture most dynamic range. But as you say exposure to the light or shadow areas indeed brings more focus to the given region instead of muddling everything together. I need to bing this mentality more to my paintings I think, it also naturally solves the "oh I can't see that thing in the shadow/light area if I don't have the dynamic range" problem because that's kind of the point. :D
Luigi Manese
Hi @persona937, this is a really good study overall so I could only come up with some minor adjustments you may want to keep in mind. In your original study, it looks like the sizes of the eye differed just slightly, which made her expression feel a bit off. I just adjusted the proportions of the eye so that they matched one another. The second thing I did was to darken the shadows on the side of the face. I can see how the shadows in the reference image do feel a bit bright, and the reflected light on her cheek adds to the confusion. However keep in mind that when drawing a directly lit object (like this one), you want to have a clear separation of light and shadow. Other than that it looks great! I really like the charcoal look you got on the shading of her face, and it would be cool to see if you could apply that uniformly to the rest of the image. Hope this helps, and let me know if there is anything that I can clear up for you
Luigi Manese
Hi @Valerio Pilotti, these head studies look great! I think one thing you may be struggling with is the structure of the head as it rotates upwards (I have trouble with this angle too honestly). Just keep in mind that as the head starts to rotate up and down, the features (brow line, nose, and mouth) no longer sit at the 'thirds' of the face. Additionally, the head will start to appear smaller at this angle and will have proportions closer to that of a circle. I also did a minor tweak to adjust the structure of the forehead and brow line and the shape of the jaw. Other than that your studies look awesome! Let me know if there is anything that I can clear up for you
Luigi Manese
Hi @Bruno Khoueiry-Jaber, from what I can see, it looks like some of your quicker studies have more of that 'Force' that you're looking for. I'm especially seeing it in your second image. In order to create a stronger sense of gesture, you want to find opportunities to simplify some parts of the body to make big sweeping lines. In your second image for example, I like how you simplified the gesture from the head, down to the spine, and to the bottom of the legs, as one big line. In contrast, look at the first image you posted. By spending more time on the drawing, you got more caught up in the details of the drawing and lost opportunities to design and simplify the gesture. Just be aware of the principle and try to apply them in your longer gesture studies and I feel you'll be well on your way to finding that 'Force'. Hope this helps! Let me know if there is anything that I can clear up for you
Bruno Khoueiry-Jaber
Thanks Luigi! I know what you are talking about, i'll try to apply it as much as possible.
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