Jeanne Bowman
Jeanne Bowman
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Steve Lenze
This is a really nice drawing, and I think the perspective is fine. Do beware of ellipsis, you have a couple that could use some work, but overall, this is good perspective. The only perspective issue is the cat, it's too big. If you bring the cat forward, it's almost as big as the bike. One thing I will say is that with drawings this detailed, sometimes there are tangents, or areas where lines can touch other lines and flatten out a shape. Try to overlap the shapes or pull them farther apart to solve that issue. I did a quick diagram to show you what I mean. I wish you success with your mural :)
Jeanne Bowman
Oh! Thank you for this! Great point about the cat! I'll make these adjustments!
@drusk
This piece is very fun and evocative of the time period. Yes, you may have some small perspective issues that are not technically "correct" if you took a ruler to it and marked it with red lines but I don't think that would improve your work. I wouldn't change anything unless after a few days looking at it something feels wrong and needs attention. Nothing stands out like that to me. I think after you take Marshall's course (I'll be there too), you might look back at this and see things that are "wrong". This looks good. Are you painting it full color?
Jeanne Bowman
Thanks so much! I am glad to know the main impression seems correct! I feel like I just need to be more precise since it is going into an institution that a lot of people are going to be seeing. I want to try to do my best at it so I don't look back on it with any regrets! I will be painting this in watercolor, which will soften some of the "preciseness" but my experience with watercolor is that if you are trying to paint something with sharp edges, the drawing needs to be extremely tight because a looser drawing seems to compound with wobbliness. I am so excited for Marshall's course but I wish it could be happening now, for sure! Thank you for the lovely comment!
Thieum
Finally I realise that your bicycle is leaning a little, so the ellipse of the rear wheel seems to be correct ... I guess I was a bit tired yesterday ...
Jeanne Bowman
Thank you so much for the help! The bicycle is probably very wrong- I really struggled with it so I am going to draw over this again and see if I can make it better because it looks wrong to me too. Your other notes are helpful as well! Thanks again!
Jeanne Bowman
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Help with perspective!
Hi friends, I have been commissioned to create an image for a mural for a museum exhibition that is of a 1900s general store. I've drawn it out, but my understanding of perspective isn't concrete yet (though I just signed up for Marshall Vandruff's perspective course which I am SUPER excited for. Could someone please help me understand where I am going wrong in this drawing? The composition has already been approved by the client so I can't change that, but I need to make sure the drawing is solid because it will be blown up to a 12ftx12ft(ish) wall. Thank you for your help!
Jeanne Bowman
I am so excited for this course!! I feel like perspective is the block that I need to jump over to figure things out as an artist and it is the thing I struggle with most to solve. I have attempted the anatomy course multiple times, but when I try to get to the part where you rotate a simplified anatomy structure I always fall apart and end up quitting again and again. I would really love to SOLVE this problem this time and gain traction in both skill sets. I am a picture book artist, so my main goal is to be able to place characters into believable, interesting scenes. I would really love to be able to make environments that lie in the direction of old Disney movies like from the 101 dalmatians and the Aristocrats. At the same time, however, I love a huge subsets of artists who break perspective routinely, and in picture books it is currently favored to have a more "naive" look at perspective like these images by Felicita Sala. I would love to know how artists know where to break" the perspective to make more interesting view points. I have included the work of Bernie Fuchs here because they exemplify that sort of quality- where he is using perspective to make his point, but isn't a slave to it. One thing that I keep trying to do and failing at is to draw things from extreme worms eye or birds eye views and I would love to be able to do that more confidentially. I would dearly love to be able to draw a figure from any view without relying so dang heavily on photo reference. The amount of time I spend looking for reference is a crime and I should be jailed for it, but I just don't have the understanding yet. Finally, I am including an image of my own work as a benchmark from where I am starting. I once had to illustrate a 1901 New York scene from a birds eye view. I relied heavily on 3d models/mockups/photos to help me draw it because I don't have enough of a grasp on perspective to understand where I am breaking it. I know that there are a lot of errors in this image but I don't know how to correct it yet. I'm excited to be able to spot what is wrong and know how to fix it for future projects!
Marshall Vandruff
Jeanne, you chose a wonderful variety!  And your New York scene is excellent. Your self-criticism is high, but it will spur you to get better and better. Your concerns are thought-through and felt-through. This course is designed to address most of those issues. The extreme views will not come until Lesson Group 11, and we'll put you onto it with childlike audacity, not to get it right, but to get it started, succeeding enough to encourage you "playing' with spatial distortions.  Then Part Two of the course gets serious about training your eye to know the basic forms so well that you can distort with earned confidence.  And as comfort, you should know that when an artist takes up a new subject, research can take up most of their time. Most of us take up a few subjects (like anatomy) by default because we want to include people in our work. But any new subject is a task, and most of our time may be researching reference. I'm glad you care that much. It's a mark of a conscientious artist. 
Jeanne Bowman
I came to the forum to ask just for this thing! I have watched the videos he offers on his website, and they were super helpful. I think he is the clearest, best perspective teacher I have ever seen and I keep checking back to see when this is happening. I've gotten the books he recommended, but a lot of the concepts don't quite click for me yet, so I am eagerly awaiting his course.
Jeanne Bowman
Hi again! I did a few more of these but still feel confused about some of the figures, especially when they are bending forward. I am struggling to understand when we see the top or bottom planes of the pelvis. I would love your thoughts! Thanks so much!
Steve Lenze
Hey Jeanne, Sorry this is confusing to you, it might be my fault, so I want to clear this up for you. The pelvis, when standing and in most neutral poses tilts down. But, in certain poses it can also tilt up and move in all kinds of directions based on how flexible the spine is. The easiest way to figure it out is to look for the "corners" of the pelvis, this will help you see how the pelvis is tilting. I included a sketch to show you what I mean, I really hope it helps clear up the confusion for you :)
Jeanne Bowman
Asked for help
Hi there, I was hoping someone could look these over for me and make sure I am not making terrible mistakes. I am a bit confused about things when the model bends forward in some of the poses because I am not sure how much of the box we would see. I would really appreciate any help with this! Thanks!
Steve Lenze
Hey Jeanne Bowman, I looked at your drawings, and I noticed that you are doing pretty good. There are a few things that I think you could do to make these more accurate. Mostly, you need to remember that the torso tilts back and the pelvis tilts down. This means we will see the bottom of the ribcage and the top and bottom of the pelvis. I did a quick sketch to show you what I mean, I hope it helps :)
Jeanne Bowman
Thank you! I will keep this in mind for my next round of practice! I appreciate it!
Jeanne Bowman
Hi! I am finally trying to take a serious stab at this course. I am also using Tom Fox's Book, Anatomy For Artists, Drawing Form and Pose to help me figure out some of the constructions because I found that cross referencing actually helps me the best. BUT I need someone to check my work. I draw the model in black first, then I draw over the model in red to make sure that I am accurate (since I am doing this digitally I slide my draw over to the side so you can see it). Because I am working from my limited knowledge I am worried that I am just cementing my mistakes in my head. Especially with the last figure I did- where the woman is totally bent over (the one with the multi colored boxes I drew on the side to try to figure it out) I feel like I totally missed the mark on that one. If anyone has anytime to look these over and point out my errors, I will be your devoted fan forever! Thank you!
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