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Glen Piper
Glen Piper
Wales
Drawing Rookie from the UK.
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Liandro
Hey, @Glen Piper! It’s been a while since you posted this, but, hopefully, I’m not too late to share some thoughts. One of the hardest things of studying art on our own is indeed to figure out how to schematize our own “curriculum”. A good news, I think, is that you’ll be practicing draftsmanship skills regardless of the specific subject you’re studying at the moment: whether you’re focusing on figure drawing, portraiture or animal drawing, it’s likely that the nuts and bolts of line, shape, form, proportion and perspective will be involved - so you’ll still be headed towards your bigger goal regarding draftsmanship even when varying your subject. With that said, perhaps you might find it helpful to consider your most relevant interests in art - if you really want to explore more than just the human figure, why not redirect your energy to other topics for a while? Maybe you can take a few weeks to let go of the human figure altogether and focus on another topic you like, or perhaps you could organize your study schedule in such a way to have some time for everything within a week’s or month’s span. Just possibilities. On the frustration of not feeling capable to do a finished piece, I totally get it. When we look at finished artwork done by masterful instructors, it can indeed feel like we’re too far away. But it can be helpful to remember that our perception is always subjective, and “feeling miles away” doesn’t necessarily mean that we haven’t progressed or that we won’t reach our goals. Plus, I think it’s important to notice the difference between literally just finishing a piece versus finishing a piece within the technical standards we would like to achieve - these are two different frameworks. Maybe consider this: if you apply all the skills you’ve already learned, how far can you take an art piece? Well - that much is your current standard for “finished”. For example, if you’ve been studying gesture and form, but not lighting, your finished pieces can be expected to be linear drawings, but not fully rendered - because it’s obviously unfair to expect that you should be able to apply more than what you’ve learned so far. Perhaps you might wanna do an experience: spend some time working on a drawing and make it as finished as you can using what you know. Try not to judge yourself or your results too hard, just focus on the process and be at peace with doing the best you can at the moment. Then, when you’re done, step away for some time, try to get some emotional distance, and, once your mind feels fresh, take a new look at it and analyze what you would like to have done differently and what are the skills or techniques involved in this idealized result you’re imagining. Based on that, you might then draw some rational conclusions and maybe set some clearer goals for your next steps in your study journey. Above all, keep in mind that evolving as an artist never feels like a straight line, but rather as sort of a roller coaster with periods of boost and moments of dry spell. By regardlessly being consistent and patient though, we eventually see that, over the “big picture”, we have grown. I think that the images I’m attaching here illustrate this idea in a more compelling way than my words. :) Hope this all helps somehow!
Glen Piper
1yr
Hey - that's actually an amazing answer, thank you. With that frame of mind, in that case, then I do plenty of finished pieces! I don't know how to render so it's just gesture and loose head drawings at the moment. Trying not to get too frustrated and just power through. But you're right - will try and celebrate finishing pieces to my current ability more regularly. I'm also trying to keep in mind that figure drawing and head drawing are some of the hardest skills in art (at least it seems that way to me) so trying not to be so hard on myself. Thanks for coming back to me on this.
Glen Piper
Mate, I feel exactly the same and I've been learning for a few years. Glad I'm not the only one. Maybe, and I'm sure you've heard this before, we need to just enjoy the journey. What are you learning for? Because you have to or because you enjoy it? If you approach it with a frame of mind of 'play' and looseness and joy as opposed to rigid drill style practice ironically you're art would come out of you easier and be more beautiful. That said, I TOTALLY get how you feel and I also struggle to take the above advice. If you watch artists like Rembert Montale or Ian Mccaig sketch you'll note how they seem to do so joyfully and with a 'no pressure' attitude. Maybe we should do the same
Glen Piper
Glen Piper
1yr
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Diversity in practice
Hi all! Like many of you I aspire to become a skilled draftsman. Recently I've been focusing on figure drawing and whilst that's been improving I find the amount of time I've spent on doing this (gesture specifically) I then miss out on time that could be spent in other areas such as head drawing or animal drawing. Do any of you either get this feeling or so you always manage to divide what subjects you practice? I guess the other thing is even though I've spent so much time focusing on figure drawing I still feel a million miles away from being able to do a finished, rendered price of art in any form and I've been trying to teach myself for years! How do you deal with this frustration?! Thanks all Peace and love peace and love
Glen Piper
Could you please inbox me the secret to unlimited artistic skill? Thanks (if it involves a deal with the devil that's all good)
Glen Piper
Hey art friends - just after some advice. I've been drawing for I'd say 5/6 years as a hobby - I draw most days though the time I can spend varies massively due to the fact I work shifts full time. Since I've started I've no doubt improved a lot but I'm still leagues away from where I want to be. I've nowhere near reaching master or being to finish and render any pieces at all. (I'm aiming at gesture/figure drawing and head drawing). I look at artists like Wylie Beckert, Leyendecker, Steve Huston, Claire Wendling and Diego Lucia and I have a yearning to be able to create beautiful art like them but it seems *impossibly* far away - I couldn't even begin to replicate a Beckert peice, for example. How do you guys deal with this? Have any of you felt this but pushed through and achieved your desired level? I feel like I've selected good 'art parents' but can't get anywhere near them. Thanks!
Glen Piper
Asked for help
Hi David - I gave this a go but couldn't really get anywhere without reference (?) Feel like there's so much information to each animal that I couldn't possibly recall enough to even get through a sketch without knowing the subject that well... Is that kind of the point, or would you recommend just trying to push through anyway and seeing what happens? Thanks!
Devon D. Yeider
I'm no David Colman but PUSH THRU! The resistance and fear response are all apart of the process that we all go through, even Mr. Colman. I recommend listening to the Draftsman podcast episode "what's blocking your creativity". Happy drawing :)
Glen Piper
Hi everyone, so I watched the recent Proko video with Rembert Montald showing his (mind blowing amazing) sketcbook. So I thought to myself - this is something I need to do. Specifically he talked about if you were a guitarist and only ever did scales you'd struggle to make music - and I have to agree. Here's the big problem - I do not have the skill do draw things like he or other artists do - at least not yet. I've been drawing as a hobby for maybe 5 years focusing on figure drawing and more recently portraits. Despite my best efforts I still kinda suck at both... so if I was to get some reference I'm not sure I'd have the skill to translate it even to a small 'finished' sketch in a notebook. This being the case all I do is drills and technical drawing exercises (at the moment I'm doing the FORCE drawing course and portraits using the shape method - previously I've finished the Drawabox course and the Proko figure drawing course). I want to step away from this but when I try and draw something more original I just get frustrated that it looks so bad and that I can't get the drawing to go where I want or to translate what's in my head to paper. Has anyone else encountered this issue? How did you guys deal with it? I'm wondering if it's a 'wax on/wax off' kind of thing whereby suddenly from doing the drills I'll hit the point in skill where I can start doing more 'fun' stuff but really not sure. Anyway - thanks everyone! Love and Tiktoks to you all
Glen Piper
Wylie Beckert...I adore her style, kind like a modern Leyendekcer. Feel a million miles away from being able to even approach emulating her, though D;
Glen Piper
Hi @David Colman - I want to give this assignment a go but my head drawing s u c k s Would you recommend learning more portrait drawing first or just jumping in a giving it a go? Thanks!
David Colman
HeyGlen- Ha we are always so hard on ourselves.I dot think you jump right in with a little side of studying Burne Hogarths Head Drawing. I am nota fan of all of his books but his head drawing is so solid and really good for basics. Focus on structure more than portrait- portrait will not help as much as more solid draftsmanship based fundamentals. Hope this helps
Julien
Hi! A humbing assignment for me: I use to go sketching outside, but never people... they're easier in photograph or in life drawing session :) !! Will try to make a habit of it from now on...
Glen Piper
3yr
These are killer
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