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Eli
Eli
Germany
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Izak van Langevelde
When working out your lighting setup, it may help you to separate it from the drawing, that is to play with a light source to see how you can light your hand so its form in space shows up the way you like it. Shoot a reference, and then draw your hand using the reference.
Eli
3yr
alright i will try that! thanks!
@paytoe
Hi,you have done a really good job so far,as far as shading I notice that the line separating the wrist from the arm might be a little too dark….unless you make the arm darker.Also the thumb is bit too long ,take a look at the angle of the drawing compared to your hand again.That is what sticks out to me so far.
Eli
3yr
thanks for the feedback! :)
Vincentius Sesarius
I see you struggle, and I guess that's because you missed one basic fundamental in shading. Before we decide to shade anything, it's important to know and be sure about the lighting setup and where the main light comes from. It seems to me that you haven't been sure about either of them. What you did was neutral form shading, that is the shading which result from the nature of the form (things that is farther from our eyes become darker and things that are closer become lighter). But you haven't involved the lighting into the form, and that will make your drawing look rather flat. So I will advice you to try to decide the lighting first, then we can talk about shading further.
Eli
3yr
Hi Vincentius, thanks for the feedback, very helpful! I do wonder tho, should i apply neutral form shading anyway, before or after i start putting direct light on it? I figure the neutral shading would be a result of ambient light, but direct light would overtrump these neutral form shadows. So i guess direct light > neutral form shadow? I've seen some processes in digital, where they would subtly shade the forms first (under neutral ambient light) and then, on a new layer, added the direct lights - however, i guess thats not how you would do it traditionally, am i right? Arrrghh... I feel like i understood the principals and rules, but i've seen so much processes and techniques that im left very confused... :/ Thanks for your expertise and help!
Crystal Blue  (she/her)
Hmm... maybe you could try cell shading first, to separate the dark areas and the light areas, then add gradients within the cell shading and add details. This could be helpful to make sure that the darkest value in the light area is lighter than the lightest value in the dark area (right now it looks like the details on the fingers are darker than the shadows on the sides of the hand). I hope that helped, if you have any questions, please ask!
Eli
3yr
thanks! thats great feedback i will try ! :)
Tristan Ortega
I noticed that your shadows are too light. I recommend you to add more contrast, so you'll have a larger range of value to the halftones. Also, you need to know the secondary shapes of the object. Some parts in the palm of the hand are round. You have to show that roundness with halftones. In fact, you need to know how to shade the three simple forms; spheres, cylinders and boxes.
Eli
3yr
Thanks for the feedback. l guess should go through the shading process of simple forms again before i jump back into complex drawings.
Vincentius Sesarius
You're on a good start! The thing about charcoal is that they're really fun to use at some time, but at some other time they can also be frustrating. It's normal though because the nature of charcoal itself is more punitive than graphite. Charcoal smudges, and doesn't get erased as well as graphite. So the key to using charcoal successfully is to layout the separation between light and shadow first, or 'form' as we call it. Only after that, it'll be easier for you to know where you should put the charcoal on. The common mistake people make in using charcoal is that they jump too early, and end up erasing and smudging the charcoal all over the place. In the end, the piece looks dirty. As I can see from your work, it's still in line art phase, thus I will say it's a bit early to introduce it to charcoal. I will advice you to take some more time to understand the form better. I've attached a sketch over on how I approach form of the figure. You see, I only separate it into two areas, one is light and one is shadow. That's the simplest form. By doing this, I can clearly see where I should put the charcoal on, and where I should stop and keep the paper clean. Check out Stephen Bauman, he's really good at presenting form, and how to shape them with clean and clear strokes.
Eli
3yr
Hi @Vincentius Sesarius , thank you so much for the feedback and the sketch, it is super useful! I have one more question: I tried to figure out the halftones and the reflected lights (see attached img) however i kind of struggle to seperate them from the shadows. Are there even that many halftones in it? Since the key-light is very bright and directional there aren't so much soft transitions, more than hard edges and direct conversions form light to shadow... i think...? But i feel like i need to identify these nuances better if i want to paint them thoughtfully and not just "copying" the values from the reference :/ Also i need to redraw my lineart, now that i have seen how impressivly dynamic your's is looking.
Eli
Eli
3yr
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Help with shading
I tried to draw my hand from live, and now im stuck with the shading process. Any tips how to push it further? I tried to apply some shadows to the bigger forms and some cast shadows of the fingers. However i fell they get easly mixed up with half tones and are not very clear to read. (especially on the fingers) Is there any somewhat "neutral" shading approach of a hand that just makes it more 3-dimensional or do i have to think of a more dramatic light set-up (or shoot refernce)? Looking forward for feedback! also, please feel free to point out anything else you notice :)
Christopher Tomley
I'm a total beginner myself but I've just started a similar project. I just went for it with charcoal and I've loved the process so far. I'd highly recommend some paper stumps (not sure of the official name) they really help for blending.
Eli
3yr
Thank you for the advice! i will defentely check it out! :)
Eli
Wow those are soooo nice! I love your attention to details and even the small bounce-lights. Especially the girl with the cowboy-hat! did you use foto-reference?
Beau LeMaire
Thank you! I referenced a photo from a friend’s instagram.
Eli
Eli
3yr
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starting with charcoal
Hi folks, I did this sketch of a portrait with graphite pencil and am now planning to value it out with charcoal. Is this even a good process for beginners? Or should i start with charcoal right away? Would you recommend put some more details in the sketch, or some hints for shading etc.? If you want to point out any general critique on the sketch, please feel free :) Also, it feels like she is looking to the side, rather than into the camera like in the ref. and I can't figure out why?! ':D Sorry for all the questions <3 Thank you in advance!!
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