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Marco de Goeij
Marco de Goeij
Amsterdam, NL
Rediscovering my passion for drawing.
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Marco de Goeij
Hi, this is my first attempt at the bean exercise. These were made on random images from the Proko pose sets after first practicing 'befores and afters' using the assignment example videos. I've learnt a lot from the videos. What I found the most difficult, is that for some tilt and lean poses it's very subtle to see whether the hip oval should be in front or after the rib oval. I also tried to include some line weight variation into it as well to make the forms speak a bit more. I included image numbers from the Proko Pose Sets I used to draw from (Aaron, Chanon, Mallory, Marcia, Veronica & Yoni). Thanks for taking the time to look at these and post your critques!
@booster
3yr
Are these for real? xP the design look really "beany". As a novice it's hard for me to see any improvement other than maybe you could try doing it with graphite instead.
Marco de Goeij
Hi, this is my attempt at the 2 minute gesture quicksketch. I'm seeing some progression already since I've started this course, but still need a lot more practice. Also because these poses take me longer than 2 minutes every time. But I'm enjoying drawing these gestures a lot. It's very rewarding to see my daughters judge them and try to do the poses themselves from the drawings. Great lessons and tanks for taking the time to post your critiques!
Serena Marenco
Hi Marco, at this stage don't think about the final form, as this will distract you from the purpose of the exercise. What you need to learn to draw is the movement, not the shape. At this stage it is not important to include details or proportions. It is like when at school you take quick notes while the teacher explains a lesson. You need to be able to represent what you see quickly and with just a few strokes, so that you have a basis to work on later. Right now you don't have the necessary information to draw complete figures, don't worry about that, you will be taught extensively later. Concentrate on the pose and movement, identify the posture, the line of action that affects most of the body. Once you have drawn this line find the position and inclination of the shoulders and pelvis on it. Already with these three very synthetic signs, you will notice that you are able to read a lot of information about the model's pose. Now you can draw arms and legs, starting with the position of the pelvis and shoulders. Use simple lines in the shape of C S I. Use as few lines as possible. Remember that the body is an organic whole, not a series of separate shapes. Some parts of the body may be affected by the same line of force. Hands, feet and head continue, in most cases, the same line in which they fit, they do not move independently. Try to give yourself a time limit for drawing your figures, try one minute and maybe, as you become more familiar with the exercise, even less, so as to force yourself to be synthetic.
John Harper
Hey Marco, these all feel like contour drawings. They're great, but they don't feel like gesture. I'm expecting to see long fluid lines that show the action, not necessarily the outside edges.
Jesper Axelsson
Hi @Marco de Goeij, Nice drawings! I like how clean they are and how well they are presented! I´ll try to look for things to improve on: - When doing 2 minute poses things start to get more complicated since you have time to add more details. When allowed to do that there is a risk that you´ll lose some of the gesture. One common issue is symmetry in the limbs. In your second drawing, veroinca 135, her right thigh is drawn with two symmetrical contours, which hurts the flow. When adding details you have to keep the main gesture, the flow passing through the leg in mind, since the contour should be designed to help it. Put simply, if the gesture is a c-curve, bend the contour lines to follow that c-curve. You could also think of the gesture as a stream of water that the contour should push forward from side to side. Beware of symmetry, since it can kill the flow I recently did a critique for another student which I think you would appreciate reading https://www.proko.com/profile/bryanmhall97/activity (a post from 3 days ago) - DRAW FROM YOUR SHOULDER Have you watched Stan´s video on pencil control https://www.proko.com/course-lesson/how-to-hold-and-control-your-pencil/assignments One of the things he teaches in it is drawing from your shoulder. It is really helpful in drawing since it allows you to quickly create long fluid lines. I really recommend watching the video and applying what it teaches. TIMING How much longer than 2 minutes do the drawings usually take? I would keep the 2 minutes as a sharp deadline. Instead of doing high quality drawings until you can do them in two minutes, do two minute drawings until they reach a high quality. I hope this helps :)
@nothanks
3yr
The linework looks really nice and clean, and I think you'll just keep getting better the more you practice :D My advice would be to try and push the gesture of the poses more - e.g., making them more extreme (exaggerating). A lot of these, especially ones where the model is bending or twisting, look a bit stiff/flat, but the more you practice the more your eye will develop. You can also loosen up your linework and let it be a little messier if that helps you find the "flow" of the poses better - it's not about making a SUPER clean or finished drawing at this stage, it's more important to get the feeling of movement and energy in the sketch. Keep working through the series too, because you will learn a lot about anatomy that will be really helpful, and it's fun to look back on those older drawings once you've gotten farther.
Jonathan Criner
If they take more than two minutes to get to that level of detail, then set your timer for how long they take and that is your new time limit. The time limit is designed to force you to only put down the most important lines to describe the form. You shouldn't think of it as "how close to a finished drawing can I get in two minutes", it should be "with only two minutes, which lines should I put down to describe the pose, and what can I ignore". As your skill develops, you will naturally become more efficient in laying down your lines, and so will be able to include more information, but you'll also find you don't need to put down a lot of lines to describe the same amount of information.
Marco de Goeij
Hi, here's my first attempt at the 30 second gesture quicksketch. Quite a challenge to capture these poses in 5 to 10 lines within 30 seconds. I must admit that in this early stage I ran over that 30 seconds every time, trying to look for the best lines. These are in graphite on 30x30cm sheets as I can draw them a bit smaller then, but I'm experimenting in charcoal as well. I included the names of the models and the image numbers from the Proko Pose Sets I used to draw from. Thanks for taking the time to look at these and post your critques!
Serena Marenco
Much better than yesterday's examples but remember that the body is a whole and moves harmoniously, not a series of separated parts. I tell you this because you often draw the neck and head separate from the gesture when they are part of it. The main line of force runs through the body, so it often affects the neck as well (if not most of the time).
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I think these look pretty good :) and feel like most of them focus more on movement than contour. Besides varying the line thickness more, my main suggestion would be to keep doing gestures for mileage and trying to push the movement of the poses more. Also, learning more about the human figure in general also helps make gestures more intuitive, and it's not bad to try some of the other lessons too while regularly going back to gestures, in my opinion. Personally, I think C051 C044 and A018 I feel are the strongest :)
Bradwynn Jones
Hi Marco! Good use of the CSI idea. Look out for the balance of standing poses. I like trying to find the relationship of the head to the weight bearing foot. This concept helped me a lot. I'll visualize a plumb line running up from the foot that is holding the majority of the body's weight and see were that line is in relationship to the figure's head. Also I do a quick check and ask myself if the legs are too long or short. Great work Marco!
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