Finished Ahmed Aldoori's 100 heads challenge. I'd appreciate some tips
3yr
Yanislav Ivanov
Hello, I'd appreciate some tips on drawing less defined faces.
The problem:
Less defined faces are harder to capture accurately. They look cartoonish at best.
Older people have more forms to "anchor onto" and they flow from one to another easily.
Younger people have... not-so-tightly knit together forms(?). Example: You'd have the nose sink into the void of a smooth face and I can't relate to it for other features.
Notes:
- I can spend 30 mins on 1 sketch of an older head, this can't apply to younger heads since there's just not that much to add.
- When it comes to likeness, I found it's better for me to just estimate and triangulate/ drop verticals instead of going for Loomis' approach.
- Old people have many bumps, meaning if I don't draw a bump accurately, it's barely noticeable.
- Young people have only facial features and smooth skin, meaning if I miss the eyelashes' shape by a tiny margin it's instantly noticeable.
- If I measure everything perfectly, capture accurate shapes and proportions, the best I get is a cartoonish version of the reference. (or an ugly version)
- If I don't accurately capture the same things on older people though, it's not that big of a deal and still looks similar.
- shading smooth skin is harder than stark plane transitions resulting in high contrast.
- If I don't put any shading at all it looks even worse.
Great job on the 100 heads challenge, i had a hard time finishing it and it took me more than 20 days.
I also struggled with the younger faces in the challenge, the more wrinkles and expression the better the likeness. With younger faces I tend to shade less, but i always apply a layer of graphite (by rubbing with cotton over the first lay-in) and then I can use a eraser pencil (https://www.google.com/search?q=koh+i+noor-artist-eraser-pencil) to get subtle features on the face, but pure white I only use for highlights .
One of the issues I had was because I tried putting 10 faces on a piece of paper that the margin for error gets smaller as well (although i do love working small)
I used some construction lines but I didn't construct a full Loomis head I think for any of them.
I would recommend looking at Andrew Loomis’s “Drawing the Head and Hands” for the simpler faces. The women’s faces, especially, have simple features but still look like they could be portraits (they’re not like cartoons). You should be able to find the book online. Great faces! You clearly got a lot from this challenge!
Hey men, really nice work! Especially you beard-with faces.
If it is helpful. I remark that you need to use al least some structure, some guide lines. Even if they are a first attempt in a clear-light line to draw over or change it and do it again. It is actually a step in when drawing from observation.
Second. I personally agree with the difficulty of young faces. For me it has been useful to not go for examples seen from exactly the front or the side. Search for something with features close or over the others; like a 3/4 and so on.
Another trick from my experience is that, if the face is not helping you, then put the light on your side. I mean: make the shadows enough present that you can use them as guide lines, plus they give more interest on the subject.
Hope to be helpful!
I did this challenge too (it was 100 heads in 10 days). I noticed some of the same things as you. Even though older people were harder to draw because they had more details, they were a lot more forgiving if you made mistakes, whereas with a young face if you got a line slightly off it was obvious. Here are my drawings. I spent more time on some than others.
I think the cartoonish look is because you're outlining the features, which is not how they are in reality. And yes, in my experience, the Loomis approach (as with other constructive methods) does not lend itself to a perfect likeness. The atelier block-in method is better for that. The Loomis method is better for inventing and turning heads in space.
Is it possible that you're either just perceiving this "cartoonish" look on your younger faces due to the fact that some stylistic choices which we associate with cartoons (larger eyes, simpler silhouettes, etc.) are actually a natural distinguishing aspect of youth as opposed to age? Or, further, that you actually make such stylistic deviations unconsciously due to the fact that those subjects actually do possess those variations, and you're just unconsciously exaggerating those bits just a little bit more than is accounted for by the age difference?
I don't want to discount what you've specified, that this occurs even when you measure perfectly and nail the shapes and proportions, just thought I'd throw out those considerations as possibilities. I would try to use a process of elimination to work through all of the possible reasons this is occurring; suppose you eliminate shape and proportion issues, what else could it be? Perhaps you could use finer/subtler mark-making, as it makes sense that bold and sketchy technique would lend itself to the weathered visage of an aged person, while a younger face would be better served with more careful, gentle linework. If you do some studies and find that making that change doesn't positively affect your results like you're looking for, move on to the next item for elimination, and so forth.
Iterating on the same subject while only making limited changes to your process each time might help you isolate what it is that's causing your dissatisfaction. I hope you're able to puzzle it out!
It looks like you made some good progress between 20 and 100
There is one major thing that stands out to me as far as what you could work on.
It look like you are not adding structure before putting in details which could be fixed by using constructive drawing methods. When you render before the structure is in place correctly the images may still feel flat or proportions are off even if you get the details right. I think if you work on defining how the forms sit in 3D space and the proportions are correct before rendering you will see some good improvements.