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Hey, @nschafer! I think @Dan B summed up a pack of super helpful tips already! I think your question requires answers that clarify what drawing approach, objective and style is at stake. Depending on these variables, answers may vary greatly even for one same person - there is no single correct way to draw, and, for example, doing a regular sketch practice and doing creative work may require different approaches for how to look and think through the references and through what we’re drawing. So, for me personally, for example, I have different ways for each context: . WHEN COPYING WHAT I SEE - Realistic drawing from observation is not something I tend to do in my personal artwork, but it’s something I use a lot in my beginner classes. When I’m just attempting to copy on paper what I see as closely as possible, I look constantly at the reference, especially in the beginning of the process, and take a lot of time to do careful appreciation and analysis of the contours, negative spaces and proportions. Sometimes, I’ll take several minutes in the beginning of the process to just look and “draw in my mind”. But once I start to put lines down on paper, I also begin to look at the drawing, of course, after all I need to see how it’s turning out. There is a balance, I believe: if we look just at the reference and not at the paper, we lose control of the result; if we look just at the paper and not the reference, we lose orientation of how it should go. So, ideally, we wanna do both - in fact, we do need to do both if we want our drawing to look like what we’re looking at, since we need to compare visual qualities of one against the other. Now it’s relevant to point out that, yes, there are specific exercises where we’re not supposed to look at the paper at all - Betty Edwards shows a few different variations of these “blind drawing” exercises in her book, “Drawing on the right side of the brain” (which is closely related to Nikolaides’s “Natural way to draw”), and these exercises are especially helpful for beginners who want to improve in observing; but they are a specific type of training for strategic moments in learning, they’re not to be done as our “main approach” to drawing, at least not as far as I know. . WHEN PRACTICING GESTURE - I love sketching gesture, but it requires me to approach the reference in a very different way than when I’m just copying what I see. For gesture, I try to be very “synthetic” in how I interpret the reference: I try to ignore all details and anatomical information, and I just try to visualize “pure” action lines. It’s like I’m simplifying, abstracting and exaggerating the figure to an extreme point where it doesn’t matter if it won’t look like a realistic human body, as long as it conveys a strong sense of movement and the figure’s action is clear to read. In the process, I alternate looking both at the reference and at the drawing. Also, as I’m putting lines down, I try to be fairly quick and not “think” too much (not analyze or measure, but instead let my lines flow intuitively and sort of fast and vigorously). Obviously, proportions often go to space, but I find it helps me to prioritize getting a good motion, since I can fix proportions at later stages in case I decide to develop the drawing. . WHEN DOING CONSTRUCTIONAL DRAWING - In case you’re not familiar with the expression, “constructional drawing” is basically a method that requires thinking structurally “from inside out”, “sculpting” 3D forms on paper and drawing through as if things were transparent. It’s the method used at http://drawabox.com I use it a lot when I want to study anatomy, and it’s very different than the approach I use when I just want to copy what I see. When I’m drawing with this constructional mindset, I’ll usually consult the reference more frequently in the beginning, using it as an “anchor point” for the initial sketch, but at some point I’ll let go of it a bit and stay more time just in the drawing. The reason is that, when working in this way, I don’t need my drawing to look exactly like my reference, but, instead, I need it to make sense within itself, for its structure to be believable and carefully tied down in terms of form, space and accuracy. In the process, instead of asking myself things like “Does this have a likeness with the model?“, I actually ask “Does this feel 3D enough?” or “Are the muscles’ attachment points correct?”. The answers to these questions are more often not in the reference, but in what I know about how form, structure, perspective or anatomy should be built. But I don’t reject or hide the reference whatsoever, I keep it at sight so I can check it too when I feel I need. Looking more at the drawing is just something that happens naturally and usually works well for my objective when I do this kind of study. . WHEN I’M CREATING MY CARTOONS - My personal artwork is probably where I use visual reference the least. References will often be useful to me only to spark ideas in the very beginning of the process, or as something I can quickly consult when I need to remember visual details for features, costumes or props halfway through - but, for most of the time, it’s just the drawing. Part of the reason is that I like to keep my cartoons very simplified and stylized, and I noticed that using too much reference often leads me into wanting to add too much realistic detail. Sometimes, even when I need to consult reference images, I won’t draw while looking at them, but, instead, I’ll take some time to just look and analyze, and then I’ll draw from what I remember afterwards using a constructional approach and adapting to the style I want the drawing to be in. Well, that’s my take, that’s how it works for me. Hope it makes sense to you, and sorry if this got too long. :) Of course, other people may have completely different approaches, preferences, and points of view, and that’s fine. By the way, if you’re interested in more material on how to use reference, @Christian Bull has a lot of insights and tips about this topic in his videos, so perhaps you might like to check them out! Hope this helps with the questions you posed in your post. Please feel free to speak up in case you have any questions or want to share other thoughts. Best regards!
@nschafer
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Thank you much for your thoughtful answer! There is a lot to dig into there for me!! Since posting this I starting copying various Bargue plates and it has been extremely helpful for me for a few reasons. One is the lack of a color tone influencing things. I think copying references with color can be much more challenging to make out shadow shapes which on the Bargue plates are so much more obvious. It's like hitting a baseball on a T and has been helping me gain some confidence in finding those shapes. Another is that you can't help but see negative shapes, which I just wasn't looking for or wasn't able to see before working on these. Now they are popping out all over and it's a bit of a revelation! It really helps me not lose the shape of the line in my mind when transferring it to the paper.
@nschafer
Maybe this is a basic question, but it's something I continually have issues with and I'd love to see what is going on with other people when they draw from reference. I'm talking about more sketching rather than meticulously measured drawing. What are you looking at when your pen/pencil moves? The paper or the reference? In the natural way to draw one of the exercises is to pretend you are touching the physical thing as you move along its contour. When I do this I have my eyes and brain on the reference as my pencil moves. I can actually get pretty decent looking contours this way, but often my proportion is off, even if I've already blocked off simples shapes as guideposts. If I look at the reference and then look at the page and have my brain on the page it often comes out way wrong. The line is way off. I immediately lose the shape in my mind as I turn my eyes to my paper. (rendering is a different story here) How can I bridge these approaches? How do you guys use these approaches while drawing? Is your focus always only on the page when your pen moves, only on the reference, or a mix of both?
@nschafer
Here is where I am at with the Yoni figure drawing. I'm using 2B and 5B graphite pencils on 11x14 smooth bristol board. I've gotten to the point that I'm just tweaking and unsure when to say it's done. I don't won't to overwork needlessly and would love some feedback. What can I do to make this better? What should I look to improve upon in my next figure drawing? My own personal thoughts about it are below: I did not use the charcoal powder and brush for the background and I feel my graphite shading there isn't the best... I tried to use a blending stump to smooth it out but feel I made it worse! Also I really need to work on my line consistency/quality. When i try and shade around the contour of a form it ends up feathery and textured. This was the first drawing where shape design did start to creep into my mind but I have a long way to go there. I know the proportions aren't perfect... the head looks a little small or the body a little long. Even so, that's probably the part I'm most happy with as I usually really struggle with proportion and it doesn't seem too bad on this drawing. The shading on the other hand... ugh. Very hard for me. Still, I can't believe how far I've come and am very happy with my first ever fully shaded figure drawing!!! I can't wait to do a different one without following along with Stan as a training wheel. Thanks in advance for checking out my drawing!
@nschafer
Here is my first portrait drawing!  I used a Blackwing Pearl graphite pencil on 7x10 Strathmore Vision Mixed Media paper. I think my drawing is a little smaller than Stan's which I didn't realize at first and threw me off a bit. I followed along with Stan trying to look at the picture to find each line but also comparing to Stan's and trying to adjust as needed. The most stressful time for me is after the initial lay in when you start laying in the smaller inner shapes as well as the shadow mapping. I struggle sometimes to see why Stan places certain lines and how they relate to the picture. But I kept at it and during the detail phase I couldn't believe how much it took shape and came to life! I know I have a lot to work on but for someone who spent most of their life assuming they couldn't draw, I am very happy with the results. This was a lot of fun! I'd love any critique on this . I haven't had my drawings looked at by anyone so I have no idea where I might be failing. I feel like my face angle is more turned toward the viewer I think? I would appreciate any insight you kind folks can give! Thank you!
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