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added comment inLack of chubby models! :) Where to find atypical body type photo references?
@Milan Čolović You might have some luck here for female models - https://www.female-anatomy-for-artist.com/photo_sets/search/query/overweight/thumb/small/page/1
and here for male models - https://www.human-anatomy-for-artist.com/photos/search/query/overweight/thumb/small/page/1
Milan Čolović
4yr
Thanks, I appreciate it! Actually, I stumbled across those couple of days ago. And yes, there are some very very useful models. Especially in the female models section. I already drew some of them. :) :) :) Maybe I will post them, here.
But talking in general - there's still lack of certain age and constitution types, especially when it comes to childhood ages, or very old models. Which is absolutely understandable, considering possible abuse of such material.
Anyhow - thanks, John. I appreciate your suggestion.
Anne-Lise Loubière
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4yr
Aside from what have been said by @Milan Čolović , it may also be a trend.
When working traditionally, artists often use red pencils called "sanguine" since the XII-XIVth century. It's similar to charcoal or graphite.
Absolutely! Anne-Lise is correct with the assumption that it simply may be a trend. I saw a Faber Castell Polychromos pencils, so they didn’t associated me to Sanguine tones, automatically. But she’s right. Actually, there are some brands that sells “Sanguine” pencils packages, which are a bit different from regular colored pencils. They are rusty colored and to be honest, I’m not sure what they actually are, but those reminds me of something between charcoal/pastel, relatively similar to graphite. They are a bit harder, but don’t break so easily. It can be quite interesting medium. Conté à Paris makes great ones.
Milan Čolović
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4yr
Well, I assume that trend of using red, or blue, started from people who uses colored pencils in initial, rough sketch drawings. When you use it in combination with graphite pencils, it’s easier to distinct refined graphite lines, when you draw them upon rough sketches done with (not so prominent) red. Practically, it’s simulating layers of Photoshop. 😊 Digitally, I would simply drop opacity of rough sketch, and draw more prominent lines in layer above.
Why people using just the reds? It looks good. 😊 I’m not sure, I rarely do that. But, I assume that is because colored pencils preforming similarly to graphite pencils, in the way of gradation, layering, range of values, they smudge less in compare to graphite. Also, they don’t have that “graphite shine” so expressed. I mean that reflection which graphite leaves when you press hard soft graphite pen and fill the area with it.
These are my assumptions, maybe someone more experienced with colored pencils would give you better answer…. :)
I believe it's traditionally because certain reds and blues don't show up when scanned in. Animators would do all their underlay work in red and blue and final linework in another colour (say, black). When the artwork was scanned in, the scanner would only pick up the black linework and there would be less cleanup digitally
Milan Čolović
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Lack of chubby models! :) Where to find atypical body type photo references?Hey guys and gals,
I’ve noticed one interesting fact this morning. Although I deeply plunged into the lessons of Stan’s anatomy course, and mostly doing studies of isolated body parts, I’m still trying to maintain daily routine of drawing and shading one full body figure. To be honest, I’m still leaning more on the visual perception of the model in front of me, than on anatomy knowledge, while I’m doing this exercise (although, I’m trying to incorporate both approaches).
There are lessons in anatomy course, which explains how fat will be stored on the human body. But it’s quite different to see drawing (even a good one) in compare to authentic photo of human body in motion, or action pose. And I have really hard time to find photos of… well… more luxurious models, on the web.
I’m aware that is probably better to learn and study slimmer models, for the sake of understanding basic anatomy, body form and mannequinization. But, after a while, I wanted to upgrade that knowledge to different body types, and to add certain versatility to the subjects of my drawings.
I can find some photo references of chubby models on the web, however they usually not so professionally captured, in high resolution, dynamic poses, and proper single source lightning, which is so important in the process of learning.
There are some really really nice reference packages on Proko’s site, those included in Stan’s courses are enough for a while. There are also some great packages included in other figure drawing courses, however range of the body types are usually from skinny, to slim-normal-athletic.
This issue could also be applied to the lack of different age group models. Yes, once we learn the basics, we can apply them on any figure drawing, strictly based on visual aspect. But age problematic is more of an anatomy issue. It’s not the problem to add wrinkles in the figure drawing, but posture (especially in motion) is different, depending on age of a model. I know that would be very hard to pull this off, especially in quite delicate cases of under 18 models. We live in awful times where even artistic nude photos could be easily abused. But, body type of 3 years old, 20 years and 70 years old, their anatomy, and performance of their motor actions, are quite different.
Sorry for being too extensive with this issue. And sorry if I confused you with my awful Eastern European English. 😊 So, how and where do you find pro references of different body types? Any ideas? Can we expect atypical body type model packages from Proko?
Cheers,
Milan
Milan Čolović
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4yr
Hello! Thank you very much for inviting me to participate in Proko 2.0 development.
The only issue I have at the moment could be resolved with Anne-Lise’s suggestion from point #1. Maybe videos and 3D models could be open in separate tab? Sometimes, especially during complex lessons which require studying multiple bones at once, and observing relationship/ratio between them, is quite convenient that you can observe several 3d models at once. If not on the same page, it would be convenient to jump from one tab to another, at least.
I’m primarily desktop user, so maybe this won’t be so convenient solution for the users of smaller portable devices, but it could help.
Cheers!
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4yr
Yup, you can open several lessons on different tabs. Videos, ebooks, and 3d models are all considered 'lessons' on the new site.
