Need help for drawing folds.
3yr
@knightdroid
Im struggling on what lines to show and what to look for exactly on wrinkles. I know theres like tension point where wrinkles would flow from and I still dont understand the triangles on clothes. I did my own study and used reference but Im not sure if i overdone the lines or used it properly.
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3yr
Hey, @knightdroid! Sorry to be catching up a bit late!
I agree with our fellows below, I think your drawing looks pretty good! I wouldnāt say youāve overdone the lines - as far as quantity, to me, it feels appropriate to this type of clothing. Part of the style of this sweater is exactly the bunch of folds its design creates. However, I agree with @paper about the line patterns becoming a bit repetitive - see if you can find some more variety in the length, type and spacing of the lines you use in your drawing. Keep in mind you donāt need to copy the reference exactly, of course, you can redesign how the wrinkles will look so, hopefully, it could become more interesting in your drawing than on the photo.
Personally, another change Iād make would be to soften and round the wrinkle lines some more. When I analyze the reference, I think the material of the fabric seems soft, and even on the areas where the wrinkles turn direction abruptly, itās not that abrupt to create a really pointy corner, so, to me, it would feel more appealing to design the fold lines as a bit curvier. This might be a matter of personal preference though, so I wouldnāt say thereās anything wrong with the way you did it - this is just something to consider if you feel it would help.
One more thing Iām noticing is that, to the right of the buttons, the fabric has no wrinkles at all, itās totally stretched both in the reference and in your drawing. In terms of clothing design, I think this creates a cool contrast with the intricate folds on the other side; but, in the drawing (differently than in the photo), since itās only contours, I feel that the curvy line which connects the buttons became so strong that it kind of visually overpowered the contour of the waist a bit - because of that, when I first looked at your post, I saw the drawing in small thumbnail size, and my first impression was that the curve that connects the buttons was also the waist contour, and it felt as if the torso was a bit distorted. So I think Iād try some tweaks to change that, and I can think of two ways to do it: 1) make the inside lines (wrinkle lines and the line that connects the buttons) a little bit more faint, and the outside contours just a bit thicker; and/or 2) fill the entire drawing with a tone, which could help visually unify the whole object and lessen the perceptual confusion of the contours.
In the image I attached, Iām sending an example to help illustrate all these suggestions.
Also, I completely agree with @paper regarding studying from other artists. Since drawing these complex wrinkles require not only good knowledge of how it works, but also a good deal of artistic interpretation, itās a handy shortcut to take a look at how other artists have already interpreted similar sorts of visual patterns - especially when simplifying it down to just lines, which is somehow a constraint to the range of your visual repertoire and a whole different challenge than if you were to use shading and tone gradations too, as @Christopher Beaven properly pointed out.
Finally, besides what was already recommmended, Iād also suggest taking a glance at Burne Hogarthās book āDynamic wrinkles and draperyā - it has some good explanations of how clothing folds work on different kinds of materials, plus a lot of illustrated examples you could study from.
Hope this helps!
Keep it up, and good studies!
Paper's example is spot on. If I was painting this shirt I could use all kinds of value transition to just copy the folds as is but when doing it in graphite without any shading I would find that super difficult.
If you notice what Al Dorne does is that he stylizes the folds by placing the lines at certain points that look convincing. I'm sure he gained this style from years of practice. He would be a wonderful example to earn from.
I think you captured the folds on the arms very well but it's the 10 billion folds on the torso that would confuse anyone. Simplification is necessary here. Focus on the darker parts of the folds and only add the lighter parts if it needs it.
Great challenge here! Good job!
Hello Knightdroid,I think your drawing of the reference is pretty good,I actually think you describe how the clothes folds pretty nicely,I guess the only critisim I would give is that the lower folds are too repetitive and it would be good for you to take liberty and make some smaller folds or atleast lower it a bit.
Also if you're still unconfident of drapery,I advised reading on the famous artist school section on drapery (chapter 7)
(https://drive.google.com/drive/mobile/folders/0B8VO-JQCy3HgelpRajdPY3RSXzg?amp;usp=sharing&tid=0B8VO-JQCy3HgZ0U3QkVvVm4wREE)
I also advised trying to copy master who are great drapery,(as it is easier to study from drapery that's already designed)
(Example: Al Dorne)