AI Art (Dall-e/ Midjourney): is it even worth to pursue learning art anymore?
2yr
Geert-Jan
With the rise of AI's like Dall-e and Midjourney, is it even worth pursuing to learn art by myself? it would take many years for me to train to get results similar to what Dall-e can create. Even if I can get to that level, an AI can create an image within seconds, where a human needs hours to create a piece like that. How do you guys feel? Do you feel threatened?
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Siv Nilsen
1yr
I just did a project yesterday where I used dall-e and I really liked the illustrations. I came here to make a post and saw you had posted pretty much exactly what I wanted to ask! Coming back today to the tutorials on here I felt a calm and pure enjoyment from immersing myself in this craft. We still have that, regardless of AI producing work more quickly (and maybe better in some ways). I think artists will just adapt to this development, not give up art all together. I am curious to see exactly how artists will adapt though and what the consequences will be. I guess that is still to be seen. AI will keep evolving along with us. After all AI is formed by human input... I'm a bit late to the game here but better late than never...
John B
1yr
Do you enjoy the process of drawing/painting/sculpting? If so then AI shouldn't have an effect on your enjoyment of the craft. Are you planning on becoming an art professional of some kind? Well, there's still a good chance you'll be able to find work because companies will want to own the copyright for the art and AI work can't be protected by copyright. The biggest impact I think AI art will have for artists in the short and long term will be a loss of small independent commissions from individuals and small businesses. Unfortunately, I think that will create a filter that will weed some artists out, but I think professional work and traditional art will thrive. One thing that gives me hope for the future of art can actually tied in with chess. Since the 80's, computers have been able to beat the top chess players in the world. Yet, despite computers technically being the "best" players, people are still playing the game and learning new strategies. There's even several successful YouTube channels with chess players only focused on chess content that get 100k+ views per video (gothamchess, GMHikaru, Botezlive etc.). Clearly there's more to the game that goes beyond winning otherwise people would've lost all interest in the game. The same can be said of art and I think despite some of the doom and gloom surrounding the space I think the future is overall a bright one for artists.
Siv Nilsen
1yr
I like your analogy with chess. Do you know if players are developing strategies that have not been done by AI before? I think there must be something that humans can add to the game (or drawing) that AI can't. And then like you said it is still the pure enjoyment of doing the activity regardless of the result.
@harleqynheretic
Since 99% of people who draw/paint will never sell a single piece of work, I think most people can chil out about AI art. For those who DO plan to become professional, my bet is that they're going to have to embrace the technology to some degree but I'd ALSO bet that TRADITIONAL art is going to suddenly shoot up in both appreciation and price - so I'd definitely focus on that if I were young again. Personally, I like to use AI for reference photos since I know they'll be unique and copyright free.
Siv Nilsen
1yr
I think also the public will get better to spot what is created by AI and appreciate human made art. (Maybe until AI gets even better and it becomes impossible to tell.) A lot of people are starting to appreciate physical formats of music and other entertainment and maybe it is just ingrained in us to appreciate something "real" and physical, something to hold and experience with our senses.
Myfo Ink
2yr
Hello ! I am passionate about AI, and I couldn't resist responding to this very interesting topic. Firstly, text-to-image AIs already surpass us and will always do better than humans for a ridiculously short time, that's undeniable. However, we should not compare ourselves to these programs. We should not forget that these images are generated by "taking inspiration" from talented artists (even if sometimes we can talk about theft, but that's another question). They ultimately only create what they are allowed to do, by remixing their data, but they cannot truly create anything. As an artist, there is intention, symbolism, and almost absolute control over what we do, in which a human remains better than a program to communicate ideas with other humans. This question still makes me smile. It's like when photography was invented, where several artists thought that this new medium heralded the end of painting. In fact, no, it even gave it a good boost because many artistic movements were born. They allowed us to question what painting is, and to no longer seek realism at all costs. The arrival of AI will have the same effect, I am certain. When we realize that we live in an infinite number of images, all more brilliant than the others, that we can see and create everything in two seconds, this effect of bewilderment will quickly give way to a big question "why?" And to this, art and artists will emerge greater, and a new artistic golden age will be born, replacing this world of "elitist" art, all these scams that have lost the meaning and nobility of art.
HaoMing (Andy) Du
Pursuing art is important even if Ai can do it in a few seconds. Let’s face it, majority of our works, Ai can do it better. But its important to think back to what art is about. It’s about expressing yourself, telling your story. Sure you can just enter a prompt and it generates, but will it be exactly what you are imagining? Pursuing art is also a form of meditation. For some it is therapy. There will be people who will prefer art from a real human being then from a computer even if the human one is a lot worst. Final point is that Ai will not go away and there are many benefits, we shouldn’t be focusing on getting rid of it, but instead working with it, accepting that its a part of our lives. As Proko said in the draftsmen episode, something like “Ai can talk, but that doesnt mean that we stop talking.” The same applies to this. Hope this wasn’t confusing.
Chris W
2yr
I think there is still a great value in pursuing art, with a caveat - traditional art using physical medium will still be greatly valued. Also when there is some massive automation going on, like factories making shoes, a traditional shoemaker is considered a luxury and greatly valued both in prestige of owning such a piece and in monetary sense. I am not sure what will happen to the digital artists, I think they will have to adapt to using AI - and that's coming from a person who thinks that current AI dataset has been procured unethically. Unfortunately the digital art was always a little undervalued due to the aspect that you can undo a stroke, draw different pieces on layers, rotate them, etc. The AI will probably create a new step of inspirations for artists, next to seeking references. But I am not sure what the future holds. We never had a situation like this, I think. We still need laws that can handle ethics of AI before we destroy ourselves with deepfakes. But I think the future will similar as to is with music. You do have synthesizers, libraries of sounds, DAWs, and yet there are still lots of musicians who play traditional instruments. Hell, most of them learned how to play an instrument before going on to use software, or they incorporate traditional instruments within their pieces. Because "human touch" to anything creative will always be of a great value.
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