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Emily Weigold
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2yr
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For this lean and twist example, the first tutorial video draws the overlapping lines in a certain direction from this reference - yet later in the twist assignment examples video, we're asked to spot what is wrong and are told the lines should overlap in the other direction - I'm confused as to which of these we should follow
Benjamin Green
2yr
The blue ink shows how the volumes are twisting. The drawing on the right shows the connection between the two masses and the contour it creates. That one is tricky, I also had trouble with it the first time I looked at it because of the overlap in the silhouette which only tells you what is in front of what. It doesn't tell you how the objects twist in relation to each other. Follow the spine first, then look at the direction the masses are facing. Worst case, grab a sock with a line down the middle on front and back sides and twist it for a visual example.
Low Horvath
2yr
Ithink of it as two connected rings or a chain if twisted the way shes twisting it would make sense whats infront of what
@fefelix
2yr
Theres another way to think of these overlaps thats mentioned in the robo-bean lesson:
If, instead of the two ovals of the bean, you think of two boxes youll find that the overlapping line is created by a side plane twisting its way into visibility from behind a front plane. Its difficult to explain, but maybe try taking a look at the robo-bean lesson, you might find it revelatory!
With this explanation in mind, I think both drawings are correct in a way :D
The overlap suggested in the pencil drawing is actually the one that can be observed on the model aswell! Kind of. We can see the right side of her torso, and the upper overlapping line is in line with this observation.
However, whats right for the actual pose, cannot be applied to the bean in this case. This is due to the bean's twist being so exaggerated that, actually, the left side of its torso-oval is visible and not the right. Its centerline forming an S-shape is an indication of that. Note how the model's spine in the pose is actually forming a C-curve. Now, this doesn't mean the bean is all wrong and should feature a C-centerline instead - its definitely a good thing they put so much exaggeration in there in order to really feel that twist. But abandoning the reference also means that you have to stay true to the logic of your own drawing instead.
Hope this provided additional help :)
see ya and have fun drawing
Rizwan Piracha
2yr
Hi Emily, If you try moving your right shoulder forward (the way the model's doing) you can actually feel the skin on your torso stretching in a way that's consistent with the first diagram (in blue ink). Hope that helps!
